OBRA: OBRA Chat: Blocking, lead-out, breaks=...

Pat Sagers

2003-03-25

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I think the OSO Clean riders were using a stealth blockade. It's a more

advanced form of the antirace blockade.

Seriously, maybe everyone was in that state of not really wanting to start

the chase, but willing to ride the wheel of someone else chasing.

-----Original Message-----

From: Steve-@clark.wa.gov [mailto:Steve-@clark.wa.gov]

Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:42 AM

To: Michael-@Rodale.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Boy, there sure was a lot of people not wanting to chase the

OSO Clean guy

that got away in BB #3 cat 4/5. I never did figure out that

one. I know the

entire field wasn't composed of OSO Clean riders either

soooooo....??????

With 3/4 of a lap to go, he was 45 seconds out and the

peloton absolutely

would not chase him down. Maybe someone could clue me in on

what was up with

that?

-----Original Message-----

From: Nyberg, Michael [mailto:Michael-@Rodale.com]

Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:39 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

I suspect some of the very people that get frustrated with

blocking tactics

are the same people that won't work to pull back a break for

fear of putting

out too much effort and "losing 10th place". So either put

out the effort

to get around the blockers and chase things down, or just

chill out and wait

for your pack sprint.

-----Original Message-----

From: Craig Hamilton [mailto:Craig.H-@netiq.com]

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:55 PM

To: 'pjku-@msn.com'; llsm-@veloski.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Who takes responsibility these days to teach new riders how

to race (not

that I have the time nor the skill)? In the old days when I

did race a bit,

sr. riders would talk with rookies racers and explain this

sort of thing so

that racing was better in the region.

Just an FYI... PIR is a training race and blocking the road

there is one of

the funniest tactics I think I've seen. 20 Team O riders

spread across the

road actively killing the tempo of the race is not what it is

all about.

Try Harder, Stay at the Front, if you get dropped get dropped

trying to stay

with the leaders and don't call getting dropped Blocking to help your

stronger teammates.

Happy Trails,

CH

-----Original Message-----

From: PETER KUKULA [mailto:pjku-@msn.com]

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:32 AM

To: llsm-@veloski.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

It has always been the weakness of local racing in my mind.

The notion of

blocking is NOT sitting on the front and soft pedaling!

Out of respect for the other riders in the pack (most of

which could ride

your a.. into the gutter), stay off the front.

I know all of you watch pro racing and if you have not

noticed, teams that

BLOCK are 3-7 riders back in the field. They do not pull

through or if they

do they certainly pull right off so as not to aid in the

chase. BUT OUT OF

RESPECT, allow the riders choosing to chase the opportunity

to do their job.

The notion that GOOD BIKE HANDLING is required to block at

the front is a

joke.

Having experienced pro peleton etiquette and managed a team

at that level, I

can assure you a visit to the gutter would be in place.

Thus the weakness of local racing will always be because their is no

education from managers or team leaders.

Peter

From: llsm-@veloski.com

Reply-To: llsm-@veloski.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:04:29 -0800

Good thing some of us older riders aren't riding anymore.

The notion

of "blocking" as a race tactic is absolutely ridiculous.

OBRA riders

get a clue and learn to race agressively with your legs AND

minds, but

in the name of Campagnolo and Shimano forget this negative notion of

"blocking" as a decent sportsmanlike race tactic.

-----Original Message-----

From: jason werst [mailto:jasonb-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:28 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Okay OBRA land, this blocking topic is getting out of

controll. I like

to do a little reading about bike racing and Blocking IS a

Skill, and

it requires careful bike handling. If you don't want the break to

get away you need to put in some effort to beat the

block. If someone is soft peddling in your pace line,

GO around! If several members of the same team are

across the front of the group, riding at 13 MPH, while

another member is off the front, the group is allowing

it. If you don't like it you you can alway do some

work at the front. Team tactics are part of what

makes road racing so cool, the chess game on bikes. I

try to set you up, you counter-attack and we all have

fun. MTN bike racing is great for people who don't

like team tactics. I hope I haven't offended anyone

and we should all keep it in mind that it is all about

fun, camaraderie, and a sense of accomplishment.

J

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I think the OSO Clean riders were using a stealth blockade. It's a more advanced form of the antirace blockade. 



Seriously, maybe everyone was in that state of not really wanting to start the chase, but willing to ride the wheel of someone else chasing.

> -----Original Message-----

 > From: Steve-@clark.wa.gov [<A HREF="mailto:Steve-@clark.wa.gov">mailto:Steve-@clark.wa.gov</A>]

 > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:42 AM

 > To: Michael-@Rodale.com; ob-@topica.com

 > Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

 > 

 > 

 > Boy, there sure was a lot of people not wanting to chase the 

 > OSO Clean guy

 > that got away in BB #3 cat 4/5. I never did figure out that 

 > one. I know the

 > entire field wasn't composed of OSO Clean riders either 

 > soooooo....??????

 > With 3/4 of a lap to go, he was 45 seconds out and the 

 > peloton absolutely

 > would not chase him down. Maybe someone could clue me in on 

 > what was up with

 > that?

 > 

 > -----Original Message-----

 > From: Nyberg, Michael [<A HREF="mailto:Michael-@Rodale.com">mailto:Michael-@Rodale.com</A>] 

 > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:39 AM

 > To: ob-@topica.com

 > Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

 > 

 > 

 > I suspect some of the very people that get frustrated with 

 > blocking tactics

 > are the same people that won't work to pull back a break for 

 > fear of putting

 > out too much effort and "losing 10th place". So either put 

 > out the effort

 > to get around the blockers and chase things down, or just 

 > chill out and wait

 > for your pack sprint.

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > -----Original Message-----

 > From: Craig Hamilton [<A HREF="mailto:Craig.H-@netiq.com">mailto:Craig.H-@netiq.com</A>]

 > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:55 PM

 > To: 'pjku-@msn.com'; llsm-@veloski.com; ob-@topica.com

 > Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

 > 

 > 

 > Who takes responsibility these days to teach new riders how 

 > to race (not

 > that I have the time nor the skill)? In the old days when I 

 > did race a bit,

 > sr. riders would talk with rookies racers and explain this 

 > sort of thing so

 > that racing was better in the region. 

 > 

 > Just an FYI... PIR is a training race and blocking the road 

 > there is one of

 > the funniest tactics I think I've seen. 20 Team O riders 

 > spread across the

 > road actively killing the tempo of the race is not what it is 

 > all about. 

 > 

 > Try Harder, Stay at the Front, if you get dropped get dropped 

 > trying to stay

 > with the leaders and don't call getting dropped Blocking to help your

 > stronger teammates.

 > 

 > Happy Trails,

 > 

 > CH

 > 

 > -----Original Message-----

 > From: PETER KUKULA [<A HREF="mailto:pjku-@msn.com">mailto:pjku-@msn.com</A>]

 > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:32 AM

 > To: llsm-@veloski.com; ob-@topica.com

 > Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

 > 

 > 

 > It has always been the weakness of local racing in my mind. 

 > The notion of 

 > blocking is NOT sitting on the front and soft pedaling!

 > 

 > Out of respect for the other riders in the pack (most of 

 > which could ride 

 > your a.. into the gutter), stay off the front.

 > 

 > I know all of you watch pro racing and if you have not 

 > noticed, teams that 

 > BLOCK are 3-7 riders back in the field. They do not pull 

 > through or if they 

 > do they certainly pull right off so as not to aid in the 

 > chase. BUT OUT OF 

 > RESPECT, allow the riders choosing to chase the opportunity 

 > to do their job.

 > 

 > The notion that GOOD BIKE HANDLING is required to block at 

 > the front is a 

 > joke.

 > 

 > Having experienced pro peleton etiquette and managed a team 

 > at that level, I

 > 

 > can assure you a visit to the gutter would be in place.

 > 

 > Thus the weakness of local racing will always be because their is no 

 > education from managers or team leaders.

 > 

 > 

 > Peter

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > >From: llsm-@veloski.com

 > >Reply-To: llsm-@veloski.com

 > >To: ob-@topica.com

 > >Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

 > >Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:04:29 -0800

 > >

 > >Good thing some of us older riders aren't riding anymore. 

 > The notion 

 > >of "blocking" as a race tactic is absolutely ridiculous. 

 > OBRA riders 

 > >get a clue and learn to race agressively with your legs AND 

 > minds, but 

 > >in the name of Campagnolo and Shimano forget this negative notion of 

 > >"blocking" as a decent sportsmanlike race tactic.

 > >

 > >

 > >-----Original Message-----

 > >From: jason werst [<A HREF="mailto:jasonb-@yahoo.com">mailto:jasonb-@yahoo.com</A>]

 > >Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:28 PM

 > >To: ob-@topica.com

 > >Subject: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

 > >

 > >

 > >Okay OBRA land, this blocking topic is getting out of 

 > controll. I like 

 > >to do a little reading about bike racing and Blocking IS a 

 > Skill, and 

 > >it requires careful bike handling. If you don't want the break to

 > >get away you need to put in some effort to beat the

 > >block. If someone is soft peddling in your pace line,

 > >GO around! If several members of the same team are

 > >across the front of the group, riding at 13 MPH, while

 > >another member is off the front, the group is allowing

 > >it. If you don't like it you you can alway do some

 > >work at the front. Team tactics are part of what

 > >makes road racing so cool, the chess game on bikes. I

 > >try to set you up, you counter-attack and we all have

 > >fun. MTN bike racing is great for people who don't

 > >like team tactics. I hope I haven't offended anyone

 > >and we should all keep it in mind that it is all about

 > >fun, camaraderie, and a sense of accomplishment.

 > >J

 > >

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Keith A. Prior

2003-03-25

Tell me this....were you in that 4/5 race?

-K

-----Original Message-----

From: Steve-@clark.wa.gov [mailto:Steve-@clark.wa.gov]

Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:42 AM

To: Michael-@Rodale.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Boy, there sure was a lot of people not wanting to chase the OSO Clean

guy

that got away in BB #3 cat 4/5. I never did figure out that one. I know

the

entire field wasn't composed of OSO Clean riders either

soooooo....??????

With 3/4 of a lap to go, he was 45 seconds out and the peloton

absolutely

would not chase him down. Maybe someone could clue me in on what was up

with

that?

-----Original Message-----

From: Nyberg, Michael [mailto:Michael-@Rodale.com]

Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:39 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

I suspect some of the very people that get frustrated with blocking

tactics

are the same people that won't work to pull back a break for fear of

putting

out too much effort and "losing 10th place". So either put out the

effort

to get around the blockers and chase things down, or just chill out and

wait

for your pack sprint.

-----Original Message-----

From: Craig Hamilton [mailto:Craig.H-@netiq.com]

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:55 PM

To: 'pjku-@msn.com'; llsm-@veloski.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Who takes responsibility these days to teach new riders how to race (not

that I have the time nor the skill)? In the old days when I did race a

bit,

sr. riders would talk with rookies racers and explain this sort of thing

so

that racing was better in the region.

Just an FYI... PIR is a training race and blocking the road there is one

of

the funniest tactics I think I've seen. 20 Team O riders spread across

the

road actively killing the tempo of the race is not what it is all about.

Try Harder, Stay at the Front, if you get dropped get dropped trying to

stay

with the leaders and don't call getting dropped Blocking to help your

stronger teammates.

Happy Trails,

CH

-----Original Message-----

From: PETER KUKULA [mailto:pjku-@msn.com]

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:32 AM

To: llsm-@veloski.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

It has always been the weakness of local racing in my mind. The notion

of

blocking is NOT sitting on the front and soft pedaling!

Out of respect for the other riders in the pack (most of which could

ride

your a.. into the gutter), stay off the front.

I know all of you watch pro racing and if you have not noticed, teams

that

BLOCK are 3-7 riders back in the field. They do not pull through or if

they

do they certainly pull right off so as not to aid in the chase. BUT OUT

OF

RESPECT, allow the riders choosing to chase the opportunity to do their

job.

The notion that GOOD BIKE HANDLING is required to block at the front is

a

joke.

Having experienced pro peleton etiquette and managed a team at that

level, I

can assure you a visit to the gutter would be in place.

Thus the weakness of local racing will always be because their is no

education from managers or team leaders.

Peter

From: llsm-@veloski.com

Reply-To: llsm-@veloski.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:04:29 -0800

Good thing some of us older riders aren't riding anymore. The notion

of "blocking" as a race tactic is absolutely ridiculous. OBRA riders

get a clue and learn to race agressively with your legs AND minds, but

in the name of Campagnolo and Shimano forget this negative notion of

"blocking" as a decent sportsmanlike race tactic.

-----Original Message-----

From: jason werst [mailto:jasonb-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:28 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Okay OBRA land, this blocking topic is getting out of controll. I like

to do a little reading about bike racing and Blocking IS a Skill, and

it requires careful bike handling. If you don't want the break to

get away you need to put in some effort to beat the

block. If someone is soft peddling in your pace line,

GO around! If several members of the same team are

across the front of the group, riding at 13 MPH, while

another member is off the front, the group is allowing

it. If you don't like it you you can alway do some

work at the front. Team tactics are part of what

makes road racing so cool, the chess game on bikes. I

try to set you up, you counter-attack and we all have

fun. MTN bike racing is great for people who don't

like team tactics. I hope I haven't offended anyone

and we should all keep it in mind that it is all about

fun, camaraderie, and a sense of accomplishment.

J

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Steve-@clark.wa.gov

2003-03-25

Boy, there sure was a lot of people not wanting to chase the OSO Clean guy

that got away in BB #3 cat 4/5. I never did figure out that one. I know the

entire field wasn't composed of OSO Clean riders either soooooo....??????

With 3/4 of a lap to go, he was 45 seconds out and the peloton absolutely

would not chase him down. Maybe someone could clue me in on what was up with

that?

-----Original Message-----

From: Nyberg, Michael [mailto:Michael-@Rodale.com]

Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:39 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

I suspect some of the very people that get frustrated with blocking tactics

are the same people that won't work to pull back a break for fear of putting

out too much effort and "losing 10th place". So either put out the effort

to get around the blockers and chase things down, or just chill out and wait

for your pack sprint.

-----Original Message-----

From: Craig Hamilton [mailto:Craig.H-@netiq.com]

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:55 PM

To: 'pjku-@msn.com'; llsm-@veloski.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Who takes responsibility these days to teach new riders how to race (not

that I have the time nor the skill)? In the old days when I did race a bit,

sr. riders would talk with rookies racers and explain this sort of thing so

that racing was better in the region.

Just an FYI... PIR is a training race and blocking the road there is one of

the funniest tactics I think I've seen. 20 Team O riders spread across the

road actively killing the tempo of the race is not what it is all about.

Try Harder, Stay at the Front, if you get dropped get dropped trying to stay

with the leaders and don't call getting dropped Blocking to help your

stronger teammates.

Happy Trails,

CH

-----Original Message-----

From: PETER KUKULA [mailto:pjku-@msn.com]

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:32 AM

To: llsm-@veloski.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

It has always been the weakness of local racing in my mind. The notion of

blocking is NOT sitting on the front and soft pedaling!

Out of respect for the other riders in the pack (most of which could ride

your a.. into the gutter), stay off the front.

I know all of you watch pro racing and if you have not noticed, teams that

BLOCK are 3-7 riders back in the field. They do not pull through or if they

do they certainly pull right off so as not to aid in the chase. BUT OUT OF

RESPECT, allow the riders choosing to chase the opportunity to do their job.

The notion that GOOD BIKE HANDLING is required to block at the front is a

joke.

Having experienced pro peleton etiquette and managed a team at that level, I

can assure you a visit to the gutter would be in place.

Thus the weakness of local racing will always be because their is no

education from managers or team leaders.

Peter

From: llsm-@veloski.com

Reply-To: llsm-@veloski.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:04:29 -0800

Good thing some of us older riders aren't riding anymore. The notion

of "blocking" as a race tactic is absolutely ridiculous. OBRA riders

get a clue and learn to race agressively with your legs AND minds, but

in the name of Campagnolo and Shimano forget this negative notion of

"blocking" as a decent sportsmanlike race tactic.

-----Original Message-----

From: jason werst [mailto:jasonb-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:28 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Okay OBRA land, this blocking topic is getting out of controll. I like

to do a little reading about bike racing and Blocking IS a Skill, and

it requires careful bike handling. If you don't want the break to

get away you need to put in some effort to beat the

block. If someone is soft peddling in your pace line,

GO around! If several members of the same team are

across the front of the group, riding at 13 MPH, while

another member is off the front, the group is allowing

it. If you don't like it you you can alway do some

work at the front. Team tactics are part of what

makes road racing so cool, the chess game on bikes. I

try to set you up, you counter-attack and we all have

fun. MTN bike racing is great for people who don't

like team tactics. I hope I haven't offended anyone

and we should all keep it in mind that it is all about

fun, camaraderie, and a sense of accomplishment.

J

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Nyberg, Michael

2003-03-25

I suspect some of the very people that get frustrated with blocking tactics

are the same people that won't work to pull back a break for fear of putting

out too much effort and "losing 10th place". So either put out the effort

to get around the blockers and chase things down, or just chill out and wait

for your pack sprint.

-----Original Message-----

From: Craig Hamilton [mailto:Craig.H-@netiq.com]

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:55 PM

To: 'pjku-@msn.com'; llsm-@veloski.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Who takes responsibility these days to teach new riders how to race (not

that I have the time nor the skill)? In the old days when I did race a bit,

sr. riders would talk with rookies racers and explain this sort of thing so

that racing was better in the region.

Just an FYI... PIR is a training race and blocking the road there is one of

the funniest tactics I think I've seen. 20 Team O riders spread across the

road actively killing the tempo of the race is not what it is all about.

Try Harder, Stay at the Front, if you get dropped get dropped trying to stay

with the leaders and don't call getting dropped Blocking to help your

stronger teammates.

Happy Trails,

CH

-----Original Message-----

From: PETER KUKULA [mailto:pjku-@msn.com]

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:32 AM

To: llsm-@veloski.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

It has always been the weakness of local racing in my mind. The notion of

blocking is NOT sitting on the front and soft pedaling!

Out of respect for the other riders in the pack (most of which could ride

your a.. into the gutter), stay off the front.

I know all of you watch pro racing and if you have not noticed, teams that

BLOCK are 3-7 riders back in the field. They do not pull through or if they

do they certainly pull right off so as not to aid in the chase. BUT OUT OF

RESPECT, allow the riders choosing to chase the opportunity to do their job.

The notion that GOOD BIKE HANDLING is required to block at the front is a

joke.

Having experienced pro peleton etiquette and managed a team at that level, I

can assure you a visit to the gutter would be in place.

Thus the weakness of local racing will always be because their is no

education from managers or team leaders.

Peter

From: llsm-@veloski.com

Reply-To: llsm-@veloski.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:04:29 -0800

Good thing some of us older riders aren't riding anymore. The notion of

"blocking" as a race tactic is absolutely ridiculous. OBRA riders get a

clue and learn to race agressively with your legs AND minds, but in the

name of Campagnolo and Shimano forget this negative notion of "blocking"

as a decent sportsmanlike race tactic.

-----Original Message-----

From: jason werst [mailto:jasonb-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:28 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Okay OBRA land, this blocking topic is getting out of

controll. I like to do a little reading about bike

racing and Blocking IS a Skill, and it requires

careful bike handling. If you don't want the break to

get away you need to put in some effort to beat the

block. If someone is soft peddling in your pace line,

GO around! If several members of the same team are

across the front of the group, riding at 13 MPH, while

another member is off the front, the group is allowing

it. If you don't like it you you can alway do some

work at the front. Team tactics are part of what

makes road racing so cool, the chess game on bikes. I

try to set you up, you counter-attack and we all have

fun. MTN bike racing is great for people who don't

like team tactics. I hope I haven't offended anyone

and we should all keep it in mind that it is all about

fun, camaraderie, and a sense of accomplishment.

J

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Marc San Soucie

2003-03-25

Don't forget the 1994 Tour de France, final stage, Champs Elysees, Frankie

Andreu in a break a lap or so from the finish, and most of team Motorola at

the front of the peloton doing their darnedest to block the entire pack

through the tight hairpin at one end of the course. Valiant failure, but

they gave it a shot and gave Frankie a chance at the finish line.

Marc San Soucie

Keith A. Prior

2003-03-24

As a former Team O rider (and proud of it) I must say that I hear the

distant rumble of an approaching flame war!

Happy Trails,

KEITH PRIOR

-----Original Message-----

From: Craig Hamilton [mailto:Craig.H-@netiq.com]

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:55 PM

To: 'pjku-@msn.com'; llsm-@veloski.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Who takes responsibility these days to teach new riders how to race (not

that I have the time nor the skill)? In the old days when I did race a

bit,

sr. riders would talk with rookies racers and explain this sort of thing

so

that racing was better in the region.

Just an FYI... PIR is a training race and blocking the road there is one

of

the funniest tactics I think I've seen. 20 Team O riders spread across

the

road actively killing the tempo of the race is not what it is all about.

Try Harder, Stay at the Front, if you get dropped get dropped trying to

stay

with the leaders and don't call getting dropped Blocking to help your

stronger teammates.

Happy Trails,

CH

-----Original Message-----

From: PETER KUKULA [mailto:pjku-@msn.com]

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:32 AM

To: llsm-@veloski.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

It has always been the weakness of local racing in my mind. The notion

of

blocking is NOT sitting on the front and soft pedaling!

Out of respect for the other riders in the pack (most of which could

ride

your a.. into the gutter), stay off the front.

I know all of you watch pro racing and if you have not noticed, teams

that

BLOCK are 3-7 riders back in the field. They do not pull through or if

they

do they certainly pull right off so as not to aid in the chase. BUT OUT

OF

RESPECT, allow the riders choosing to chase the opportunity to do their

job.

The notion that GOOD BIKE HANDLING is required to block at the front is

a

joke.

Having experienced pro peleton etiquette and managed a team at that

level, I

can assure you a visit to the gutter would be in place.

Thus the weakness of local racing will always be because their is no

education from managers or team leaders.

Peter

From: llsm-@veloski.com

Reply-To: llsm-@veloski.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:04:29 -0800

Good thing some of us older riders aren't riding anymore. The notion

of

"blocking" as a race tactic is absolutely ridiculous. OBRA riders get

a

clue and learn to race agressively with your legs AND minds, but in the

name of Campagnolo and Shimano forget this negative notion of

"blocking"

as a decent sportsmanlike race tactic.

-----Original Message-----

From: jason werst [mailto:jasonb-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:28 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Okay OBRA land, this blocking topic is getting out of

controll. I like to do a little reading about bike

racing and Blocking IS a Skill, and it requires

careful bike handling. If you don't want the break to

get away you need to put in some effort to beat the

block. If someone is soft peddling in your pace line,

GO around! If several members of the same team are

across the front of the group, riding at 13 MPH, while

another member is off the front, the group is allowing

it. If you don't like it you you can alway do some

work at the front. Team tactics are part of what

makes road racing so cool, the chess game on bikes. I

try to set you up, you counter-attack and we all have

fun. MTN bike racing is great for people who don't

like team tactics. I hope I haven't offended anyone

and we should all keep it in mind that it is all about

fun, camaraderie, and a sense of accomplishment.

J

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Craig Hamilton

2003-03-24

Who takes responsibility these days to teach new riders how to race (not

that I have the time nor the skill)? In the old days when I did race a bit,

sr. riders would talk with rookies racers and explain this sort of thing so

that racing was better in the region.

Just an FYI... PIR is a training race and blocking the road there is one of

the funniest tactics I think I've seen. 20 Team O riders spread across the

road actively killing the tempo of the race is not what it is all about.

Try Harder, Stay at the Front, if you get dropped get dropped trying to stay

with the leaders and don't call getting dropped Blocking to help your

stronger teammates.

Happy Trails,

CH

-----Original Message-----

From: PETER KUKULA [mailto:pjku-@msn.com]

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:32 AM

To: llsm-@veloski.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

It has always been the weakness of local racing in my mind. The notion of

blocking is NOT sitting on the front and soft pedaling!

Out of respect for the other riders in the pack (most of which could ride

your a.. into the gutter), stay off the front.

I know all of you watch pro racing and if you have not noticed, teams that

BLOCK are 3-7 riders back in the field. They do not pull through or if they

do they certainly pull right off so as not to aid in the chase. BUT OUT OF

RESPECT, allow the riders choosing to chase the opportunity to do their job.

The notion that GOOD BIKE HANDLING is required to block at the front is a

joke.

Having experienced pro peleton etiquette and managed a team at that level, I

can assure you a visit to the gutter would be in place.

Thus the weakness of local racing will always be because their is no

education from managers or team leaders.

Peter

From: llsm-@veloski.com

Reply-To: llsm-@veloski.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:04:29 -0800

Good thing some of us older riders aren't riding anymore. The notion of

"blocking" as a race tactic is absolutely ridiculous. OBRA riders get a

clue and learn to race agressively with your legs AND minds, but in the

name of Campagnolo and Shimano forget this negative notion of "blocking"

as a decent sportsmanlike race tactic.

-----Original Message-----

From: jason werst [mailto:jasonb-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:28 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Okay OBRA land, this blocking topic is getting out of

controll. I like to do a little reading about bike

racing and Blocking IS a Skill, and it requires

careful bike handling. If you don't want the break to

get away you need to put in some effort to beat the

block. If someone is soft peddling in your pace line,

GO around! If several members of the same team are

across the front of the group, riding at 13 MPH, while

another member is off the front, the group is allowing

it. If you don't like it you you can alway do some

work at the front. Team tactics are part of what

makes road racing so cool, the chess game on bikes. I

try to set you up, you counter-attack and we all have

fun. MTN bike racing is great for people who don't

like team tactics. I hope I haven't offended anyone

and we should all keep it in mind that it is all about

fun, camaraderie, and a sense of accomplishment.

J

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PETER KUKULA

2003-03-24

It has always been the weakness of local racing in my mind. The notion of

blocking is NOT sitting on the front and soft pedaling!

Out of respect for the other riders in the pack (most of which could ride

your a.. into the gutter), stay off the front.

I know all of you watch pro racing and if you have not noticed, teams that

BLOCK are 3-7 riders back in the field. They do not pull through or if they

do they certainly pull right off so as not to aid in the chase. BUT OUT OF

RESPECT, allow the riders choosing to chase the opportunity to do their job.

The notion that GOOD BIKE HANDLING is required to block at the front is a

joke.

Having experienced pro peleton etiquette and managed a team at that level, I

can assure you a visit to the gutter would be in place.

Thus the weakness of local racing will always be because their is no

education from managers or team leaders.

Peter

From: llsm-@veloski.com

Reply-To: llsm-@veloski.com

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:04:29 -0800

Good thing some of us older riders aren't riding anymore. The notion of

"blocking" as a race tactic is absolutely ridiculous. OBRA riders get a

clue and learn to race agressively with your legs AND minds, but in the

name of Campagnolo and Shimano forget this negative notion of "blocking"

as a decent sportsmanlike race tactic.

-----Original Message-----

From: jason werst [mailto:jasonb-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:28 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Okay OBRA land, this blocking topic is getting out of

controll. I like to do a little reading about bike

racing and Blocking IS a Skill, and it requires

careful bike handling. If you don't want the break to

get away you need to put in some effort to beat the

block. If someone is soft peddling in your pace line,

GO around! If several members of the same team are

across the front of the group, riding at 13 MPH, while

another member is off the front, the group is allowing

it. If you don't like it you you can alway do some

work at the front. Team tactics are part of what

makes road racing so cool, the chess game on bikes. I

try to set you up, you counter-attack and we all have

fun. MTN bike racing is great for people who don't

like team tactics. I hope I haven't offended anyone

and we should all keep it in mind that it is all about

fun, camaraderie, and a sense of accomplishment.

J

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llsm-@veloski.com

2003-03-23

Good thing some of us older riders aren't riding anymore. The notion of

"blocking" as a race tactic is absolutely ridiculous. OBRA riders get a

clue and learn to race agressively with your legs AND minds, but in the

name of Campagnolo and Shimano forget this negative notion of "blocking"

as a decent sportsmanlike race tactic.

-----Original Message-----

From: jason werst [mailto:jasonb-@yahoo.com]

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:28 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: [OBRA Chat] Blocking, lead-out, breaks= racing!

Okay OBRA land, this blocking topic is getting out of

controll. I like to do a little reading about bike

racing and Blocking IS a Skill, and it requires

careful bike handling. If you don't want the break to

get away you need to put in some effort to beat the

block. If someone is soft peddling in your pace line,

GO around! If several members of the same team are

across the front of the group, riding at 13 MPH, while

another member is off the front, the group is allowing

it. If you don't like it you you can alway do some

work at the front. Team tactics are part of what

makes road racing so cool, the chess game on bikes. I

try to set you up, you counter-attack and we all have

fun. MTN bike racing is great for people who don't

like team tactics. I hope I haven't offended anyone

and we should all keep it in mind that it is all about

fun, camaraderie, and a sense of accomplishment.

J

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jason werst

2003-03-23

Okay OBRA land, this blocking topic is getting out of

controll. I like to do a little reading about bike

racing and Blocking IS a Skill, and it requires

careful bike handling. If you don't want the break to

get away you need to put in some effort to beat the

block. If someone is soft peddling in your pace line,

GO around! If several members of the same team are

across the front of the group, riding at 13 MPH, while

another member is off the front, the group is allowing

it. If you don't like it you you can alway do some

work at the front. Team tactics are part of what

makes road racing so cool, the chess game on bikes. I

try to set you up, you counter-attack and we all have

fun. MTN bike racing is great for people who don't

like team tactics. I hope I haven't offended anyone

and we should all keep it in mind that it is all about

fun, camaraderie, and a sense of accomplishment.

J

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