Re: seized pulleys on SRAM derailleur

Ever since shimano came out with their large pulley inexpensive derailluers
(altus,alivio, etc), it is what I use for machine that is going to see a
lot of water. something i wrote in 2009.
http://bikeeng.blogspot.com/2009/05/large-pulley.html. I doubt these
derailluers though, are "accurate" enough to use with say a 10 speed
system. 9-speed seems to work OK.

for Bot brackets I am still square taper. Then can run phil wood spindles.
And with a triple my Q-factor is 142 mm (yes a triple). or 135mm or
less with a double. Beat that big stiff diameter bbs ! Seriously I
would go to a larger dia bb, but i can't justify the price, the decreased
cornering clearance, worse aerodynamics, poor chainline, reduced brg
durability, all just for a stiffer bb. Although I have seen comments that
say the increased q-factor engages different leg mucsles, ie "skating"
muscles? and for that reason may be advantageous. I think that depends on
what one is trained up in...

Not quite sure what some designers of front derailluers/cranks/ bbs are
thinking/doing (well obviously what they think is important and what they
are trying to optimize is obviously different from what I think is
important, hence why I am still on the "tunable" square taper system :) ) ,
but with some cranks, I have been able to run two chainrings in the place
of the outside big chainring. The front derailluer outside plate has to be
flat, and a little work with a file here and there also occurs..

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Brian Johnson wrote:

> You basically indicated the problem: power washing. Don't ever power wash
> your bike unless you're a fully sponsored pro in Belgium. Even a moderate
> jet from a garden hose can wreak havoc on "sealed" bearings. (I learned
> this from experience.) The spray from a pump sprayer is as strong as you
> should use. Use a brush to remove mud from your bike.
>
> > Anyone see this before? On my first bike with SRAM parts. I have
> cleaned with a hose and my pump sprayer never a problem. Raced Canby last
> week and had it power washed. Now both pulleys are completely seized.
>
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rondot@spiritone.com

2012-11-12

And.....Someone like Mr. Campbell KNOWS how to pressure wash! Any problems with pulleys etc. are not from is cleaning. If he was some person with no knowledge about what a pressure washer does, he would not be able to do the jobs he performs. Pressure washing can cause LOTS of damage when done improperly. He does it properly. Right now I know that I could easily have my pulleys (shimano) seized up when I get to cleaning my bike tomorrow after just a spray off today. My chain is already showing rust. It has nothing to do with the pressure washer.
ron

From: Chip Sloan
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:48 AM
To: adam holt
Cc: obra@list.obra.org ; Brian Johnson
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] seized pulleys on SRAM derailleur

It is true. SRAM Rival and likely Force pulleys are notorious for seizing regardless of power washing. You can pry them apart to clean and repack and keep them alive for a little while. I used to do it just about every week when mine seized. Since switching to a RED deraileur I have not had that problem. That however could just be the lack of mud for the last 2 seasons.

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:09 AM, adam holt wrote:

I don't know about anything about SRAM specifically, but I've been (somewhat carefully) power washing my mostly Shimano equipped CX and MTB's for years, with no issues. Even when I occasionally rebuild my hubs (older Dura Ace stuff), I usually see clean grease in there, indicating a lack of contaminants. Just have to be careful. Never had problems with outboard BB's either. The only place I've ever found dirty grease is in the cheaper OEM headsets, which I eventually replace with King's once they've finally bit the dust.

Adam

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On Nov 11, 2012, at 8:35 AM, "Greg O'Brien" wrote:

I disagree. The SRAM pulleys ( at least Rival up to 2012, not sure about Force or Red) are lame, and allow contaminants in no matter what. I never pressure wash, yet routinely suffer seized pulleys, to the point I replaced them twice last year because I didn't get the bike apart until a few days later to clean them). In my opinion it's the one weak link with the Rival derailleur. In all other aspects I prefer them over Ultegra.

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>From: Brian Johnson
>Sent: Nov 10, 2012 9:11 PM
>To: "birdman@teamfoodbaby.com"
>Cc: "obra@list.obra.org"
>Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] seized pulleys on SRAM derailleur
>
>You basically indicated the problem: power washing. Don't ever power wash your bike unless you're a fully sponsored pro in Belgium. Even a moderate jet from a garden hose can wreak havoc on "sealed" bearings. (I learned this from experience.) The spray from a pump sprayer is as strong as you should use. Use a brush to remove mud from your bike.
>
>> Anyone see this before? On my first bike with SRAM parts. I have cleaned with a hose and my pump sprayer never a problem. Raced Canby last week and had it power washed. Now both pulleys are completely seized.
>
>Brian Johnson, Graphic Designer
>Muller Design Studio
>http://mullerdesignstudio.com
>
>http://www.facebook.com/mullerdesign
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