OBRA: OBRA Chat: Not again.... Siezed Pulleys!!

john

2012-11-13

Bearings are bearings. Some have tight seals, some do not, some are even
just shielded. Buy a 10 pack from VXB and pop new ones in. and Pulleys
are pulleys. I don't think I have been running OEM pulleys since 1989.
or Get some shimano pullleys and put them on your sram derailluer.
I personally run thin washers that overlap the seal. grease that gap for
sure. Grease the bejesus out of the bearing also. its not like you are
going 2000 rpm and have to worry about grease churning and
bearing overheating. And if you seized them once, they are shot. Yes in
my younger poorer days i was known to run toothpaste in them to clean them
back up, but at some point the fits are gone and its all wobbley. so really
probably get new bearings. especially if you weren't careful
about cleaning it well, warming it, wd-40 it, oil it, warming it,
air blowing it, etc, etc, then greasing it, working it in. blowing it,
greasing it, cleaning seals, checking for damaged seals, etc, etc, etc,
etc. these aren't forgiving cup and cone bearings, these precision fits
with are like 10th of your hair thickness. If these are type where you
can't push the bearing out and push new ones in,then yes just get some new
pulleys.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Tom Bird wrote:

> **
>
> Seized up after Washington County – and I did a very gentle clean on
> these. You would think I would have learned a lesson BUT I was being
> stubborn and did not want to pull them apart, ugh!!
>
> Seriously, does everyone who runs SRAM derailleurs pull their pulleys
> apart after every race??
>
> So having a discussion with a buddy of mine and he thought, what about
> trying marine grease, something like Aqua Lube. Would that be too tacky
> grease to keep it from spinning well and cause the pulley to be so stiff
> it was not worthwhile. It should keep the water out.
>
> This just pi$$es me off – I have used Shimano for years and NEVER had a
> problem and I LOVE this quote on the SRAM site regard the Rival group, “as
> well as an exceptional cyclocross performer”. Where?? Colorado, New
> Mexico, California – where they never see mud??
>
> Will be looking to replace these things for next year…. Back to Shimano
> for me!
>
>
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Chad Butler

2012-11-13

I think the answer is you just need a Chris King headset and bottom bracket and then your bike will be worry free. Works for everything.

dan davis

2012-11-13

well i had my Force pulleys off as well and i have had to do it with my Shimano also, so it's just one of those fun things you get to do after a mudder!and after Barton i had to free up a BB30 bearing so mud is mud and it will get in to every bearing you have! ah cross 45min race and 2 hours of cleaning!!!
have fun!
Dan...

Rick Johnson

2012-11-13

Dura-Ace models have bearings.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

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On 11/13/2012 12:28 PM, Tom Bird wrote:

That
is what bothers me, I have not had any problems until Canby
(and it was very Muddy) as well as Washington County. I
know A LOT of cross riders are using these things. Maybe it
is bad luck – but now I am paranoid.

Was
looking at the schematic for the Red and it looks to have
the same bearing design. In looking at shimano’s they don’t
have ball bearings in the pulley and they have more of a cap
that goes over the pulley hole. It looks like the Shimano
has a sleeve that goes over the bolt so no bearings to gunk
up.

From:
matt Savage [mailto:yeahdude1976@gmail.com]

Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:18 PM

To: Tom Bird

Cc: obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Not again.... Siezed
Pulleys!!

I've never cracked my pulleys apart on a
Rival der. in two years of racing it. They spin fine. I even
use pressure washers and not the gentle kind either.

Or maybe I'm just pumping out so many
watts that mud just disintegrates on contact. That's
probably the case...

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Tom
Bird <birdman@teamfoodbaby.com>
wrote:

Seized
up
after Washington County – and I did a very gentle
clean on these. You would think I would have learned
a lesson BUT I was being stubborn and did not want to
pull them apart, ugh!!

Seriously,
does everyone who runs SRAM derailleurs
pull their pulleys apart after every race??

So
having a discussion with a buddy of mine and he
thought, what about trying marine grease, something
like Aqua Lube. Would that be too tacky grease to
keep it from spinning
well and cause the pulley to be so stiff it was not
worthwhile.
It should keep the water out.

This
just pi$$es me off – I have used Shimano for years and
NEVER had a problem and I LOVE this quote on the SRAM
site regard the Rival group, “as well as an
exceptional cyclocross performer”. Where?? Colorado,
New Mexico, California –
where they never see mud??

Will
be looking to replace these things for next year….
Back to Shimano for me!

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Tom Bird

2012-11-13

That is what bothers me, I have not had any problems until Canby (and it was
very Muddy) as well as Washington County. I know A LOT of cross riders are
using these things. Maybe it is bad luck - but now I am paranoid.

Was looking at the schematic for the Red and it looks to have the same
bearing design. In looking at shimano's they don't have ball bearings in
the pulley and they have more of a cap that goes over the pulley hole. It
looks like the Shimano has a sleeve that goes over the bolt so no bearings
to gunk up.

From: matt Savage [mailto:yeahdude1976@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:18 PM
To: Tom Bird
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Not again.... Siezed Pulleys!!

I've never cracked my pulleys apart on a Rival der. in two years of racing
it. They spin fine. I even use pressure washers and not the gentle kind
either.

Or maybe I'm just pumping out so many watts that mud just disintegrates on
contact. That's probably the case...

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Tom Bird wrote:

Seized up after Washington County - and I did a very gentle clean on these.
You would think I would have learned a lesson BUT I was being stubborn and
did not want to pull them apart, ugh!!

Seriously, does everyone who runs SRAM derailleurs pull their pulleys apart
after every race??

So having a discussion with a buddy of mine and he thought, what about
trying marine grease, something like Aqua Lube. Would that be too tacky
grease to keep it from spinning well and cause the pulley to be so stiff it
was not worthwhile. It should keep the water out.

This just pi$$es me off - I have used Shimano for years and NEVER had a
problem and I LOVE this quote on the SRAM site regard the Rival group, "as
well as an exceptional cyclocross performer". Where?? Colorado, New Mexico,
California - where they never see mud??

Will be looking to replace these things for next year.. Back to Shimano
for me!

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Matthew Case

2012-11-13

Been using SRAM for a few years for 'cross. Never have pulled off the
pulleys, not even once. Bad luck maybe?

Elder Case

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Tom Bird wrote:

> **
>
> Oh and I wanted to say, I never intended to accuse Stuart’s power washing
> as the culprit. I used a pump sprayer after Washington county and I can
> pee harder than that. If the seals on these pulleys are that bad I am
> just shocked anyone uses them for cross.
>
> After I pulled the pulleys apart from the Canby race they were packed with
> mud. The power wash is not going to drive that much gunk in there.
>
> _____________________________________________
> *****From:* Tom Bird [mailto:birdman@teamfoodbaby.com
> ]
> *****Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:04 PM
> *****To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *****Subject:* Not again.... Siezed Pulleys!!
>
> Seized up after Washington County – and I did a very gentle clean on
> these. You would think I would have learned a lesson BUT I was being
> stubborn and did not want to pull them apart, ugh!!
>
> Seriously, does everyone who runs SRAM derailleurs pull their pulleys
> apart after every race??
>
> So having a discussion with a buddy of mine and he thought, what about
> trying marine grease, something like Aqua Lube. Would that be too tacky
> grease to keep it from spinning well and cause the pulley to be so stiff it
> was not worthwhile. It should keep the water out.
>
> This just pi$$es me off – I have used Shimano for years and NEVER had a
> problem and I LOVE this quote on the SRAM site regard the Rival group, “as
> well as an exceptional cyclocross performer”. Where?? Colorado, New
> Mexico, California – where they never see mud??
>
> Will be looking to replace these things for next year…. Back to Shimano
> for me!
>
>
>
>
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matt Savage

2012-11-13

I've never cracked my pulleys apart on a Rival der. in two years of racing
it. They spin fine. I even use pressure washers and not the gentle kind
either.

Or maybe I'm just pumping out so many watts that mud just disintegrates on
contact. That's probably the case...

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Tom Bird wrote:

> **
>
> Seized up after Washington County – and I did a very gentle clean on
> these. You would think I would have learned a lesson BUT I was being
> stubborn and did not want to pull them apart, ugh!!
>
> Seriously, does everyone who runs SRAM derailleurs pull their pulleys
> apart after every race??
>
> So having a discussion with a buddy of mine and he thought, what about
> trying marine grease, something like Aqua Lube. Would that be too tacky
> grease to keep it from spinning well and cause the pulley to be so stiff
> it was not worthwhile. It should keep the water out.
>
> This just pi$$es me off – I have used Shimano for years and NEVER had a
> problem and I LOVE this quote on the SRAM site regard the Rival group, “as
> well as an exceptional cyclocross performer”. Where?? Colorado, New
> Mexico, California – where they never see mud??
>
> Will be looking to replace these things for next year…. Back to Shimano
> for me!
>
>
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Tom Bird

2012-11-13

Oh and I wanted to say, I never intended to accuse Stuart's power washing as
the culprit. I used a pump sprayer after Washington county and I can pee
harder than that. If the seals on these pulleys are that bad I am just
shocked anyone uses them for cross.

After I pulled the pulleys apart from the Canby race they were packed with
mud. The power wash is not going to drive that much gunk in there.

_____________________________________________
From: Tom Bird [mailto:birdman@teamfoodbaby.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:04 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Not again.... Siezed Pulleys!!

Seized up after Washington County - and I did a very gentle clean on these.
You would think I would have learned a lesson BUT I was being stubborn and
did not want to pull them apart, ugh!!

Seriously, does everyone who runs SRAM derailleurs pull their pulleys apart
after every race??

So having a discussion with a buddy of mine and he thought, what about
trying marine grease, something like Aqua Lube. Would that be too tacky
grease to keep it from spinning well and cause the pulley to be so stiff it
was not worthwhile. It should keep the water out.

This just pi$$es me off - I have used Shimano for years and NEVER had a
problem and I LOVE this quote on the SRAM site regard the Rival group, "as
well as an exceptional cyclocross performer". Where?? Colorado, New Mexico,
California - where they never see mud??

Will be looking to replace these things for next year.. Back to Shimano
for me!

Tom Bird

2012-11-13

Seized up after Washington County - and I did a very gentle clean on these.
You would think I would have learned a lesson BUT I was being stubborn and
did not want to pull them apart, ugh!!

Seriously, does everyone who runs SRAM derailleurs pull their pulleys apart
after every race??

So having a discussion with a buddy of mine and he thought, what about
trying marine grease, something like Aqua Lube. Would that be too tacky
grease to keep it from spinning well and cause the pulley to be so stiff it
was not worthwhile. It should keep the water out.

This just pi$$es me off - I have used Shimano for years and NEVER had a
problem and I LOVE this quote on the SRAM site regard the Rival group, "as
well as an exceptional cyclocross performer". Where?? Colorado, New Mexico,
California - where they never see mud??

Will be looking to replace these things for next year.. Back to Shimano
for me!