John
Great as long as it doesn't start as freaking early as beginners cx
men's.... brrr
John
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On Nov 17, 2012 10:01 PM, "Danny Pettit" wrote:
> Yes a new season for cross. Starts in early Jan and finishes in...
> Separate points, new shorter? Season. Sounds great. I'm in!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 17, 2012, at 9:18 PM, Stewart Campbell
> wrote:
>
> I agree with Ron and the other leaders, volunteers, promoters. Yes,
> stretching out the season would be great but I've also noticed that cx has
> the most number of races out of any other discipline, unless you count
> all the road races at PIR. Personally I would like to see more road and TT
> races.
>
> Maybe a local bike club could have a weekly cx race outside of OBRA, like
> the Vancouver bicycle club puts on a 10 mile TT race each week all summer.
> Sure, it doesn't count for anything, but it's fun.
>
> Ron also brought up another good point...all of the volunteer hours. I've
> seen a bit that goes on behind the scene the pat two years, and there is a
> lot going on. I had no idea how much goes into a race when I first
> started, but now I do, and I try to help when I can.
>
> As for Ron's funny comment about winter cross with hot showers while I
> wash bikes...not happening, unless you want me to turn your bicycle into a
> popcycle. Or if I get a hot water pressure washer, then I could wash you
> and your bike at once...still not happening, they cost 5 grand, and a zipp
> disc and 808 comes first!!! Like that's ever going to happen either, ha ha.
>
> Still though, you guys have some great ideas, and that is what makes this
> racing association so great.
>
> Just my 2 cents. Have fun at PIR tomorrow, I'll be cleaning out
> gutters...yeah!
>
> -Stewart Campbell
> www.bridgecitypw.com
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "rondot@spiritone.com"
> *To:* Melanie Rathe ; EAL
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org; Zach Goude
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Winter Cyclocross?
>
> I agree with Mel on this. The officials do need a break. Unless there
> is also a current promoter out there who wants to take on more races, new
> promoters need to step up and fill this gap people are talking about.
> Today I was out at Kruger’s just after 7 AM doing various volunteer tasks
> through the first race, then helped with some of the tear down. That does
> not count the hours spent out there this past Monday removing blackberries
> and a downed tree from course. My point is I personally put a good deal of
> time into this race and there were others putting in even more. PUTTING ON
> A RACE is a real commitment for the promoter and the others who help make
> it happen. This of course includes the sponsors and OBRA officials. If
> your pay is racing for no entry fee or some $ for a days work, you still
> get to the point where you just want some time off. A good number of the
> officials, promoters and volunteers start doing their work for the OBRA
> world in the spring. December makes them want to stay snuggled up in the
> bed on a Saturday or Sunday morning for a change.
>
> I also agree with Kenji. New ideas and races are great, but keep it fresh
> and be willing to work to make it happen if that is what you want. If
> races you want to promote or help make happen catch on (and you will need
> to make racers want to do your race with lots of temptation), then there
> you go. You have started an new fun adventure and kept OBRA on the leading
> edge.
> I personally would race in the snow. But only if the snow was here! I
> am not driving to the mountain to race in the snow. Not worth it me. I
> might consider a cross race in Jan. or Feb. But you would probably need to
> have outdoor heated showers so I could wash the mud off my kit with nice
> warm water while Stewart Campbell washed my bike. I could then go drop my
> mostly clean clothes in my plastic trash bag, change into warm dry digs,
> and go home. It would probably be too nasty for an old man to hang out and
> cheer later races on. Of course the race day would end at 3 PM so
> promoters could tear the course down before dark.
> So I and others await the info on the new mid-winter races. I think a
> separate cross or whatever type you come up with is good as well. Leave
> the Fall Cross as one season. Make it happen. We will see if you have
> something that will be fun and catch on.
> For now....Lets race tomorrow at PIR. Great Cross weather and probably a
> great Crusade course.
> ron
>
> *From:* Melanie Rathe
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:38 PM
> *To:* EAL
> *Cc:* obra@list.obra.org ; Zach Goude
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Winter Cyclocross?
>
> I can't help but post this........more peeps will need to step up to the
> plate and Officiate! I know I am not the only one is pretty darn tired and
> need an 'off season'. We all love working races for our awesome racers but
> we need help!!! Just sayin...
>
> Sent from my iPhone Mel
>
> On Nov 17, 2012, at 3:59 PM, EAL wrote:
>
>
> Keep it simple. Like "fall baseball" is separate from the regular season
> for high school kids, make "winter cross" separate from the normal cross
> season. If anyone is actually serious about putting on one or more races
> contact me as I'd be more than willing to help.
>
> Ed Lanton
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Roger Joys (Maillists)
> *To:* kenji@obra.org
> *Cc:* "obra@list.obra.org" ; Zach Goude <
> zgoude@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 17, 2012 3:43 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Winter Cyclocross?
>
> If we raced in Jan\Feb would we switch the age categories back to the old
> way?
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2012, at 12:00 PM, T. Kenji Sugahara wrote:
>
> > I'm definitely open to cross in Jan-Feb. I've been talking to Candi
> > and Salty about this already. Banana Belts are moving to May and I
> > know some other races have been considering moving too.
> >
> > We'd definitely need to re-work the membership process a little bit
> > (since we have the cross only license - and we currently expire
> > licenses at on 12/31/12) but I don't think it would be a bad idea.
> >
> > The end of the year OBRA party would probably need to be delayed since
> > BAR points would still be accumulating.
> >
> > Joe Field was also talking about fat tire snow racing too. I don't
> > know where that went but I'd be stoked to have something like that.
> >
> > I really encourage promoters to try new things and keep things fresh.
> > It's all doable. We just need to think through things!
> >
> > (Though the biggest thing is that all of this is up to you- the racers!)
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Mike Rosenfeld
> wrote:
> >> Pier park in the snow was fun...in some weird twisted way of course.
> >>
> >> Sent from my Windows Phone
> >> From: Candi Murray
> >> Sent: 11/17/2012 6:12 AM
> >> To: Zach Goude; obra@list.obra.org
> >> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Winter Cyclocross?
> >> Back in the "Old" Days we would take off about 6 weeks in December and
> >> January and then start up for another 6 weeks. Sure was better then road
> >> racing in February.
> >> Candi
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Zach Goude
> >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:02 PM
> >> To: obra@list.obra.org
> >> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Winter Cyclocross?
> >>
> >> This is only my 2nd season racing 'cross (or any kind of race for that
> >> matter), in which time I have become completely obsessed, and was
> wondering
> >> why there are no races in January or February? Is everyone kind of
> tired by
> >> that time of year? Focusing on road seasons? Promoters and others need a
> >> break?
> >>
> >> Just curious! I see the number of races I have left dwindling, and it
> gives
> >> me a big sad face.
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