Scott Kocher

I tried mtn (2-bolt) SPDs all the way back. They go significantly farther back than possible on normal 3-bolt road cleat but not as far as Hogg describes. I didn't try it very long because (1) I really didn't like the feel, (2) the toe overlap was worse even on my 58cm Tarmac with size 45 shoes, (3) I don't believe the power transfer is any better or worse--power is power and bikes amazingly capture almost all of it so long as you're comfortable regardless of most microscopic adjustments you might try, and (4) the rearward cleat position proved unnecessary to solve the problem* that led me to try it in the first place.

*The problem was/is a morton's neuroma. I seem to be managing that effectively with a runner's silicone toe spacer between the relevant toes and a home-modified toe box for my Sidi's which gives my toes room to spread out instead of cramping them miserably like pretty much all cycling shoes do. I have more to say about MN management on another thread, but that's already more than one opinion and I wasn't planning to hijack this thread, really.

> Any opinions on Steve Hogg's "to the rear" cleat positioning theories?
> Any actual experiences out there?
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Danny Pettit

Just my opinion. If I moved too far back my toe would hit my front tire in a turn. I keep it all the way forward now!!!

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On Dec 3, 2012, at 6:34 PM, Shane Gibson wrote:

>
> I tried it for a bit. Granted - most modern shoes aren't designed to allow you to move the cleat very far back - nowhere near as far back as is recommended for "rearward cleat" positions. But, as far back as I could go ... I really didn't notice too much of a difference, which may have been due to less than 1/2 inch of rearward movement. I understand you have to adapt to the new position for a few months - I gave it about 3 months. Unfortunately, I didn't do any scientific measurements (i.e. power meter tests, fatigue tests, etc...).
>
> I'd be curious if anyone has riding shoes that allows you to slide your cleat back as is recommended to obtain the benefits, and what your experiences were like.
>
> For those of you curious about this, see:
> http://www.cycleops.com/en/training/training-resources/380-achieving-optimal-power-through-your-bike-fit-part-2-cleat-position.html
> and
> http://www.bicyclepaper.com/articles/5-Midfoot-Cleat-Position-
>
> ~~shane
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> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:06 PM, EAL wrote:
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Shane Gibson

I tried it for a bit. Granted - most modern shoes aren't designed to allow
you to move the cleat very far back - nowhere near as far back as is
recommended for "rearward cleat" positions. But, as far back as I could go
... I really didn't notice too much of a difference, which may have been
due to less than 1/2 inch of rearward movement. I understand you have to
adapt to the new position for a few months - I gave it about 3 months.
Unfortunately, I didn't do any scientific measurements (i.e. power meter
tests, fatigue tests, etc...).

I'd be curious if anyone has riding shoes that allows you to slide your
cleat back as is recommended to obtain the benefits, and what your
experiences were like.

For those of you curious about this, see:
http://www.cycleops.com/en/training/training-resources/380-achieving-optimal-power-through-your-bike-fit-part-2-cleat-position.html
and
http://www.bicyclepaper.com/articles/5-Midfoot-Cleat-Position-

~~shane

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On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:06 PM, EAL wrote:

> Any opinions on Steve Hogg's "to the rear" cleat positioning theories?
> Any actual experiences out there?
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EAL

Any opinions on Steve Hogg's "to the rear" cleat positioning theories?   Any actual experiences out there?