[OBRA CHAT] Centerline & Masters Racing

Brad Cockman, DC

2003-04-02

I'm still counting my blessings that I decided on the 3's race versus

the Master's, now for more than a couple of reasons.



I was at the finish line ringing the bell helping out poor Nancy a

little, all alone in the OBRA truck trying to do 12 jobs at once. As

she's looking at video trying to pick placings from the various races

that were finishing she was under an Iraqui bombardment from racers

bitching to her for one reason or another or trying to find out where

they had finished RIGHT after they had crossed the finish line. Nancy

somehow maintained her composure when she had every right to tell these

people to go straight to hell. The BBQ potato chips must have had some

kind of sedative added to them.



Damn people, leave the poor OBRA volunteers alone. If you have a

legitimate complaint find the chief referee. Flying off the handle like

a couple of the Master's did after the crash is pretty embarassing and

just plain old not nice when you're talking to the wrong person to begin

with. If sh*t like this keeps up we'll soon be showing up at races and

wondering where all the yellow shirts went.



On another note, the layout of POC doesn't really lend itself to safe

riding conditions. Flat course which keeps packs together, super narrow

roads with little or no shoulder (and dead vermin) and big fields is a

prescription for disaster in my book. Any better roads in that neck of

the woods?







Ron Magnus wrote:

 



Hello all,



How ironic; for the past two weeks there has been such a plethora of

noise about centerline violations and the reasons one way or the other

they occurred. For the record, I was made aware of the original cause

of this thread back on the morning of March 17. I was conducting a

class in the Los Angeles area. One of the students was a Pro racer who

had been at the race in Arizona and gave me some of the details such as

they were first hand. The following day and onwards OBRA chat erupted

with so many comments mostly constructive that I felt pretty good about

the way people viewed this important matter especially since some of the

long time racers/riders could recall a similar situation with the same

results that occurred in Washington County a good number of years ago.



Fast forward to last weekend's Piece of Cake Masters event. Two age

graded categories in one field consisting of 54 riders take to the road.

Not unusual compared to some of the other larger fields of the day on

the same venue. Since this event went the way of many Masters events

where there is little "real racing" the field size stayed pretty much

the same until the start of the final lap. Now some individuals are

getting anxious, about 4k from the finish line two individuals cross the

centerline in a left turn on one of the narrow streets (makes no

difference if it's a significant crossing or not), there is a lot of

loud comments from the field, the two riders move quickly back into the

pack, so quickly that it causes a rider to loose control right away and

then send another rider to the pavement incurring head, shoulder and

chest injuries. Let's now move forward to the 400 meter region from the

finish. Our pack of Masters has pretty much regrouped and is chomping

at the bit for the final sprint, once again some riders are observed

moving left across the centerline incurring the attention of the pack.

Almost at the same time two riders on the right side of the pack start

to sprint and knock into each other, they go down, one rider suffers a

significant facial injury cutting an artery.



Today we see on OBRA CHAT that the Masters field has further

"distinguished" themselves with obscene language that can easily be

heard by corner marshals and bystanders young and old.........ARE YOU

HAVING FUN?????



Folks this is supposed to be a fun hobby.....it sure doesn't appear that

way these days, such a not so nice example to be presenting to others.



I suppose you can chastise me as much as you want for making these

comments as I normally sit back and just read. Keep in mind that the

comments noted above are observations noted by many, so be careful on

your responses lest you put your foot farther in your mouth.



Ron Magnus; Portland, OR

503-244-4866



Ron Magnus

2003-04-02

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Hello all,



How ironic; for the past two weeks there has been such a plethora of noise about centerline violations and the reasons one way or the other they occurred. For the record, I was made aware of the original cause of this thread back on the morning of March 17. I was conducting a class in the Los Angeles area. One of the students was a Pro racer who had been at the race in Arizona and gave me some of the details such as they were first hand. The following day and onwards OBRA chat erupted with so many comments mostly constructive that I felt pretty good about the way people viewed this important matter especially since some of the long time racers/riders could recall a similar situation with the same results that occurred in Washington County a good number of years ago.



Fast forward to last weekend's Piece of Cake Masters event. Two age graded categories in one field consisting of 54 riders take to the road. Not unusual compared to some of the other larger fields of the day on the same venue. Since this event went the way of many Masters events where there is little "real racing" the field size stayed pretty much the same until the start of the final lap. Now some individuals are getting anxious, about 4k from the finish line two individuals cross the centerline in a left turn on one of the narrow streets (makes no difference if it's a significant crossing or not), there is a lot of loud comments from the field, the two riders move quickly back into the pack, so quickly that it causes a rider to loose control right away and then send another rider to the pavement incurring head, shoulder and chest injuries. Let's now move forward to the 400 meter region from the finish. Our pack of Masters has pretty much regrouped and is chomping at the bit for the final sprint, once again some riders are observed moving left across the centerline incurring the attention of the pack. Almost at the same time two riders on the right side of the pack start to sprint and knock into each other, they go down, one rider suffers a significant facial injury cutting an artery.



Today we see on OBRA CHAT that the Masters field has further "distinguished" themselves with obscene language that can easily be heard by corner marshals and bystanders young and old.........ARE YOU HAVING FUN?????



Folks this is supposed to be a fun hobby.....it sure doesn't appear that way these days, such a not so nice example to be presenting to others.



I suppose you can chastise me as much as you want for making these comments as I normally sit back and just read. Keep in mind that the comments noted above are observations noted by many, so be careful on your responses lest you put your foot farther in your mouth.



Ron Magnus; Portland, OR

503-244-4866







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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How ironic; for the past two weeks there has been

such a plethora of noise about centerline violations and the reasons one way or

the other they occurred.  For the record, I was made aware of the original

cause of this thread back on the morning of March 17.  I was conducting a

class in the Los Angeles area.  One of the students was a Pro racer who had

been at the race in Arizona and gave me some of the details such as they were

first hand.  The following day and onwards OBRA chat erupted with so many

comments mostly constructive that I felt pretty good about the way people viewed

this important matter especially since some of the long time racers/riders could

recall a similar situation with the same results that occurred in Washington

County a good number of years ago.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fast forward to last weekend's Piece of Cake

Masters event.  Two age graded categories in one field consisting of

54 riders take to the road.  Not unusual compared to some of the other

larger fields of the day on the same venue.  Since this event went the way

of many Masters events where there is little "real racing" the field size stayed

pretty much the same until the start of the final lap.  Now some

individuals are getting anxious, about 4k from the finish line two individuals

cross the centerline  in a left turn on one of the narrow streets (makes no

difference if it's a significant crossing or not), there is a lot of

loud comments from the field, the two riders move quickly back into the pack, so

quickly that it causes a rider to loose control right away and then send

another rider to the pavement incurring head, shoulder and chest injuries. 

Let's now move forward to the 400 meter region from the finish.  Our pack

of Masters has pretty much regrouped and is chomping at the bit for the final

sprint, once again some riders are observed moving left across the centerline

incurring the attention of the pack.  Almost at the same time two riders on

the right side of the pack start to sprint and knock into each other, they go

down, one rider suffers a significant facial injury cutting an artery. 

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Today we see on OBRA CHAT that the Masters field

has further "distinguished" themselves with obscene language that can easily be

heard by corner marshals and bystanders young and old.........ARE YOU HAVING

FUN?????  </FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Folks this is supposed to be a fun hobby.....it

sure doesn't appear that way these days, such a not so nice example to be

presenting to others.  </FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I suppose you can chastise me as much as you want

for making these comments as I normally sit back and just read.  Keep in

mind that the comments noted above are observations noted by many, so be careful

on your responses lest you put your foot farther in your mouth.</FONT></DIV>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ron Magnus; Portland, OR</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>503-244-4866</FONT></DIV>

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