Eric

Much? Maybe almost nothing would come back?

The money would go to Colorado Springs, and what would come back would be
the responsibility to do their job their way.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Murray
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:39 AM
Cc: remailer, OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...

Yes. This is clearly the issue. If Oregon were to go back to USAC with their
current fee structure and our same volume a substantial amount of money
would go to CO Springs. Of course the volume would NOT stay the same as the
prices would go up so sales would go down. Basically they want our money
but they are not offering much in exchange.
Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Johnson
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 08:28:30
To:
Cc: 'OBRA List'
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...

Clearly they don't care to spend any effort trifling over the concerns
of peons from the provinces.
Unless of course they see there's some money in it...

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self esteem, first make
sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounding yourself with assholes.

- William Gibson

On 1/19/2013 6:58 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
> You could beat someone with a traffic barricade at an OBRA race and still
be
> welcome at a USAC event. This issue was one of the points of contention
> with the reciprocity agreement between the 2 organizations. USAC insisted
> that OBRA honor their suspensions without review while they refused to
even
> consider ours.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RickCJohnson1@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 20:27 PM
> To: mike.murray@obra.org
> Cc: 'OBRA List'
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...
>
> On 1/18/2013 8:20 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>> You can have a heinous offense that leads to your suspension by OBRA
>> and USAC will have no problem selling you a ticket to their show.
> Tell me you don't actually mean that someone could be caught peeing on a
> dumpster at PIR and still be welcome to participate in a USAC event?!
> Incredible!
>
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
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joec@aracnet.com

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Now I would PAY to be in that call-up! :D

On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:10:28 -0800, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> Might as well go all the way - invite Floyd too. They have some
> catching up to do....
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
> One, it's completely impossible.
> Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
> Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
>
> Arthur C. Clarke
>
> On 1/18/2013 7:03 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
>> Sweet!!! I'm gonna write him a letter right now, tell him Obra Welcomes You!
>>
>> Thanks Candi!
>>
>> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>> Candi
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know he's banned from competition. But since Obra doesn't fall under any national or international sanctioning umbrella, whatever you call it, could he technically come to Oregon and line up with the A's or Masters in a Cross Crusade race?
>>>>
>>>> It's Sunday afternoon at PIR, Armstrong rolls up... Is Brad Ross really gonna say "Hey fella beat it... Scram...!"?
>>>>
>>>> Could he technically race?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
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joec@aracnet.com

If the Buffalo CHips fall where they appear to be heading, I have a
sinking
suspicion that no one will give a fling truck about USAC suspensions
(along with
the governing body itself).

Joe

On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:58:43 -0800, "Mike Murray"
wrote:
> You could beat someone with a traffic barricade at an OBRA race and still be
> welcome at a USAC event. This issue was one of the points of contention
> with the reciprocity agreement between the 2 organizations. USAC insisted
> that OBRA honor their suspensions without review while they refused to even
> consider ours.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RickCJohnson1@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 20:27 PM
> To: mike.murray@obra.org
> Cc: 'OBRA List'
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...
>
> On 1/18/2013 8:20 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>> You can have a heinous offense that leads to your suspension by OBRA
>> and USAC will have no problem selling you a ticket to their show.
>
> Tell me you don't actually mean that someone could be caught peeing on a
> dumpster at PIR and still be welcome to participate in a USAC event?!
> Incredible!
>
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
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joec@aracnet.com

~SPLORF~

DAMMIT Dan! (another keyboard ruined)

On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:57:33 -0800, Dan Grabski
wrote:
> Either that or Mark Ginsberg is going to try to sell them a used RV.
>
> Dan

Mike Murray

Yes. This is clearly the issue. If Oregon were to go back to USAC with their current fee structure and our same volume a substantial amount of money would go to CO Springs. Of course the volume would NOT stay the same as the prices would go up so sales would go down. Basically they want our money but they are not offering much in exchange.
Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Johnson
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 08:28:30
To:
Cc: 'OBRA List'
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...

Clearly they don't care to spend any effort trifling over the concerns
of peons from the provinces.
Unless of course they see there's some money in it...

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounding yourself with assholes.

- William Gibson

On 1/19/2013 6:58 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
> You could beat someone with a traffic barricade at an OBRA race and still be
> welcome at a USAC event. This issue was one of the points of contention
> with the reciprocity agreement between the 2 organizations. USAC insisted
> that OBRA honor their suspensions without review while they refused to even
> consider ours.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RickCJohnson1@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 20:27 PM
> To: mike.murray@obra.org
> Cc: 'OBRA List'
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...
>
> On 1/18/2013 8:20 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>> You can have a heinous offense that leads to your suspension by OBRA
>> and USAC will have no problem selling you a ticket to their show.
> Tell me you don't actually mean that someone could be caught peeing on a
> dumpster at PIR and still be welcome to participate in a USAC event?!
> Incredible!
>
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
>
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Rick Johnson

Clearly they don't care to spend any effort trifling over the concerns
of peons from the provinces.
Unless of course they see there's some money in it...

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounding yourself with assholes.

- William Gibson

On 1/19/2013 6:58 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
> You could beat someone with a traffic barricade at an OBRA race and still be
> welcome at a USAC event. This issue was one of the points of contention
> with the reciprocity agreement between the 2 organizations. USAC insisted
> that OBRA honor their suspensions without review while they refused to even
> consider ours.
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RickCJohnson1@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 20:27 PM
> To: mike.murray@obra.org
> Cc: 'OBRA List'
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...
>
> On 1/18/2013 8:20 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
>> You can have a heinous offense that leads to your suspension by OBRA
>> and USAC will have no problem selling you a ticket to their show.
> Tell me you don't actually mean that someone could be caught peeing on a
> dumpster at PIR and still be welcome to participate in a USAC event?!
> Incredible!
>
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
>
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Mike Murray

You could beat someone with a traffic barricade at an OBRA race and still be
welcome at a USAC event. This issue was one of the points of contention
with the reciprocity agreement between the 2 organizations. USAC insisted
that OBRA honor their suspensions without review while they refused to even
consider ours.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Johnson [mailto:RickCJohnson1@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 20:27 PM
To: mike.murray@obra.org
Cc: 'OBRA List'
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...

On 1/18/2013 8:20 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> You can have a heinous offense that leads to your suspension by OBRA
> and USAC will have no problem selling you a ticket to their show.

Tell me you don't actually mean that someone could be caught peeing on a
dumpster at PIR and still be welcome to participate in a USAC event?!
Incredible!

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

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rondot@spiritone.com

Yes Tim. New Cat. The "true" meaning of "Going Postal".
For Cross, Brad would keep them in line. And if Brad could not keep them
herded into the starting chute, Terri Camp or Kenji would.
If they fit in, they might be chasing all over the state scooping up BAR
points. And we might have very tidy port-pottys
A true injection of new blood into the OBRA peloton.
Honestly. If he really tells the truth, even if he gets his sentence
reduced, pays the financial price owed to various entities, I want him to be
be able to compete. I think it is such a huge part of his life. But he
also has children he needs to focus on and that is far more important than
competition. Far more important. He can be a Soccer Dad.
r

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Schauer
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:33 PM
To: RickCJohnson1@gmail.com
Cc: OBRA List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...

Maybe this field deserves a new category? you could invite the entire
former postal service / discovery team to race the crusade? If the
next big civil lawsuit they are all involved in could be in Portland
during the crusade this fall?

:)

Tim Schauer

P 360 823 1313 M 360 904 0748
1325 SE Tech Center Drive, Suite 140
Vancouver, WA 98683

On Jan 18, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:

> Might as well go all the way - invite Floyd too. They have some catching
> up to do....
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
> One, it's completely impossible.
> Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
> Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
>
> Arthur C. Clarke
>
> On 1/18/2013 7:03 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
>> Sweet!!! I'm gonna write him a letter right now, tell him Obra Welcomes
>> You!
>>
>> Thanks Candi!
>>
>> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>> Candi
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know he's banned from competition. But since Obra doesn't fall under
>>>> any national or international sanctioning umbrella, whatever you call
>>>> it, could he technically come to Oregon and line up with the A's or
>>>> Masters in a Cross Crusade race?
>>>>
>>>> It's Sunday afternoon at PIR, Armstrong rolls up... Is Brad Ross
>>>> really gonna say "Hey fella beat it... Scram...!"?
>>>>
>>>> Could he technically race?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> OBRA mailing list
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>>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
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Mark Reinecke

Oh great. Now I've gotta get my Joe Bob's Awesome Bowling League suspension expunged too.

On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mike Murray wrote:

> All kidding aside the actual answer to the question is in the OBRA rules:
>
> "13.6 Suspension reciprocity
> Any OBRA member who is suspended by another athletic organization shall
> notify the OBRA Executive Director. When OBRA becomes aware of such a
> suspension, the OBRA Executive Director will investigate the circumstances
> of the suspension and may impose a similar suspension."
>
> This means that if someone was suspended by US Table Tennis or Joe Bob's
> Awesome Bowling League they could also be suspended by OBRA. This also
> leaves open the option that Kenji (or whoever is the ED) could NOT impose a
> similar suspension, presumably after finding that the suspension by the
> other organization was not warranted. If Lance were to come to an OBRA race
> I expect that this rule would be enforced to keep him from participating.
> Historically all suspensions handed down by USADA or USAC have lead to
> similar suspensions with OBRA. This has happened several times. I should
> point out that it does NOT go the other way. You can have a heinous offense
> that leads to your suspension by OBRA and USAC will have no problem selling
> you a ticket to their show.
>
>
> Mike Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Savage
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 18:29 PM
> To: OBRA List
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...
>
> I know he's banned from competition. But since Obra doesn't fall under any
> national or international sanctioning umbrella, whatever you call it, could
> he technically come to Oregon and line up with the A's or Masters in a Cross
> Crusade race?
>
> It's Sunday afternoon at PIR, Armstrong rolls up... Is Brad Ross really
> gonna say "Hey fella beat it... Scram...!"?
>
> Could he technically race?
>
>
> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
> _______________________________________________
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Rick Johnson

On 1/18/2013 8:20 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> You can have a heinous offense that leads to your suspension by OBRA and USAC will have no problem selling
> you a ticket to their show.

Tell me you don't actually mean that someone could be caught peeing on a
dumpster at PIR and still be welcome to participate in a USAC event?!
Incredible!

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

Mike Murray

All kidding aside the actual answer to the question is in the OBRA rules:

"13.6 Suspension reciprocity
Any OBRA member who is suspended by another athletic organization shall
notify the OBRA Executive Director. When OBRA becomes aware of such a
suspension, the OBRA Executive Director will investigate the circumstances
of the suspension and may impose a similar suspension."

This means that if someone was suspended by US Table Tennis or Joe Bob's
Awesome Bowling League they could also be suspended by OBRA. This also
leaves open the option that Kenji (or whoever is the ED) could NOT impose a
similar suspension, presumably after finding that the suspension by the
other organization was not warranted. If Lance were to come to an OBRA race
I expect that this rule would be enforced to keep him from participating.
Historically all suspensions handed down by USADA or USAC have lead to
similar suspensions with OBRA. This has happened several times. I should
point out that it does NOT go the other way. You can have a heinous offense
that leads to your suspension by OBRA and USAC will have no problem selling
you a ticket to their show.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Savage
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 18:29 PM
To: OBRA List
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...

I know he's banned from competition. But since Obra doesn't fall under any
national or international sanctioning umbrella, whatever you call it, could
he technically come to Oregon and line up with the A's or Masters in a Cross
Crusade race?

It's Sunday afternoon at PIR, Armstrong rolls up... Is Brad Ross really
gonna say "Hey fella beat it... Scram...!"?

Could he technically race?

Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
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T. Kenji Sugahara

technically- but a good idea? probably not.

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
> Sweet!!! I'm gonna write him a letter right now, tell him Obra Welcomes You!
>
> Thanks Candi!
>
> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
>
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
>
>> Yes
>>
>> Candi
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
>>
>>> I know he's banned from competition. But since Obra doesn't fall under any national or international sanctioning umbrella, whatever you call it, could he technically come to Oregon and line up with the A's or Masters in a Cross Crusade race?
>>>
>>> It's Sunday afternoon at PIR, Armstrong rolls up... Is Brad Ross really gonna say "Hey fella beat it... Scram...!"?
>>>
>>> Could he technically race?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>>
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Executive Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
Phone: 503-278-5550
http://www.obra.org

Dan Grabski

Either that or Mark Ginsberg is going to try to sell them a used RV.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2013, at 19:33, Tim Schauer wrote:

> Maybe this field deserves a new category? you could invite the entire
> former postal service / discovery team to race the crusade? If the
> next big civil lawsuit they are all involved in could be in Portland
> during the crusade this fall?
>
> :)
>
> Tim Schauer
>
> P 360 823 1313 M 360 904 0748
> 1325 SE Tech Center Drive, Suite 140
> Vancouver, WA 98683
>
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
>
>> Might as well go all the way - invite Floyd too. They have some catching up to do....
>>
>> Rick Johnson
>> Bend, Oregon
>>
>> Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
>> One, it's completely impossible.
>> Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
>> Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
>>
>> Arthur C. Clarke
>>
>> On 1/18/2013 7:03 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
>>> Sweet!!! I'm gonna write him a letter right now, tell him Obra Welcomes You!
>>>
>>> Thanks Candi!
>>>
>>> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes
>>>>
>>>> Candi
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know he's banned from competition. But since Obra doesn't fall under any national or international sanctioning umbrella, whatever you call it, could he technically come to Oregon and line up with the A's or Masters in a Cross Crusade race?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's Sunday afternoon at PIR, Armstrong rolls up... Is Brad Ross really gonna say "Hey fella beat it... Scram...!"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Could he technically race?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> OBRA mailing list
>>>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
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>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
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Joe Zauner

Not so fast.
I found the following on page 16, Rule 6.5.2 Age Graded Races:
Age graded races are defined at the discretion of the race organizer subject to the following:
MASTERS may be any age range 30 or older. If no age range is stated on the Entry Form/Race Announcement the default age will be 40 and older and (those falling within this age grouping are) eligible to race with the exception of the World's Biggest Douche Bag who is not allowed to race but instead will clean the porta-potties with a tooth brush, thimble and narrow-gauge, manually operated (oral) siphon.
Yet another door closes.
Joe

> From: yeahdude1976@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:03:22 -0800
> To: cmurray@obra.org
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...
>
> Sweet!!! I'm gonna write him a letter right now, tell him Obra Welcomes You!
>
> Thanks Candi!
>
> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
>
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
>
> > Yes
> >
> > Candi
> >
> > On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
> >
> >> I know he's banned from competition. But since Obra doesn't fall under any national or international sanctioning umbrella, whatever you call it, could he technically come to Oregon and line up with the A's or Masters in a Cross Crusade race?
> >>
> >> It's Sunday afternoon at PIR, Armstrong rolls up... Is Brad Ross really gonna say "Hey fella beat it... Scram...!"?
> >>
> >> Could he technically race?
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OBRA mailing list
> >> obra@list.obra.org
> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >>
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Tim Schauer

Maybe this field deserves a new category? you could invite the entire
former postal service / discovery team to race the crusade? If the
next big civil lawsuit they are all involved in could be in Portland
during the crusade this fall?

:)

Tim Schauer

P 360 823 1313 M 360 904 0748
1325 SE Tech Center Drive, Suite 140
Vancouver, WA 98683

On Jan 18, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:

> Might as well go all the way - invite Floyd too. They have some catching up to do....
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend, Oregon
>
> Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
> One, it's completely impossible.
> Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
> Three, I said it was a good idea all along.
>
> Arthur C. Clarke
>
> On 1/18/2013 7:03 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
>> Sweet!!! I'm gonna write him a letter right now, tell him Obra Welcomes You!
>>
>> Thanks Candi!
>>
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>>
>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
>>
>>> Yes
>>>
>>> Candi
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know he's banned from competition. But since Obra doesn't fall under any national or international sanctioning umbrella, whatever you call it, could he technically come to Oregon and line up with the A's or Masters in a Cross Crusade race?
>>>>
>>>> It's Sunday afternoon at PIR, Armstrong rolls up... Is Brad Ross really gonna say "Hey fella beat it... Scram...!"?
>>>>
>>>> Could he technically race?
>>>>
>>>>
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rondot@spiritone.com

Welcome to OBRA Lance.....Just a couple of OBRA conditions.
You have to race in the "C masters" and be non-eligible for any call-up no
matter your finish, each time you start with the last
number.................BUT be eligible for the coupon for the 6 pack. We
just want you to experience a bit of the real world and what regular people
get for prizes (not to take one thing away from my Deschutes prizes).
Wouldn't him racing in OBRA races go a long way for making OBRA look good?
Not sure about that Matt.
Oh! I am missing his testimony "under oprah" as we speak.
If he really comes totally clean and "stays clean", it would be fine with me
that he raced here.....but emphasis on "stay clean". That might be hard for
him to do considering his personality.
ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Savage
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:03 PM
To: Candi Murray
Cc: OBRA List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...

Sweet!!! I'm gonna write him a letter right now, tell him Obra Welcomes
You!

Thanks Candi!

Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...

On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Candi Murray wrote:

> Yes
>
> Candi
>
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
>
>> I know he's banned from competition. But since Obra doesn't fall under
>> any national or international sanctioning umbrella, whatever you call it,
>> could he technically come to Oregon and line up with the A's or Masters
>> in a Cross Crusade race?
>>
>> It's Sunday afternoon at PIR, Armstrong rolls up... Is Brad Ross really
>> gonna say "Hey fella beat it... Scram...!"?
>>
>> Could he technically race?
>>
>>
>> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
>> _______________________________________________
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>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
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Rick Johnson

Might as well go all the way - invite Floyd too. They have some catching
up to do....

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
One, it's completely impossible.
Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
Three, I said it was a good idea all along.

Arthur C. Clarke

On 1/18/2013 7:03 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
> Sweet!!! I'm gonna write him a letter right now, tell him Obra Welcomes You!
>
> Thanks Candi!
>
> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
>
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
>
>> Yes
>>
>> Candi
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
>>
>>> I know he's banned from competition. But since Obra doesn't fall under any national or international sanctioning umbrella, whatever you call it, could he technically come to Oregon and line up with the A's or Masters in a Cross Crusade race?
>>>
>>> It's Sunday afternoon at PIR, Armstrong rolls up... Is Brad Ross really gonna say "Hey fella beat it... Scram...!"?
>>>
>>> Could he technically race?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
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>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
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Matt Savage

Sweet!!! I'm gonna write him a letter right now, tell him Obra Welcomes You!

Thanks Candi!

Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...

On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Candi Murray wrote:

> Yes
>
> Candi
>
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
>
>> I know he's banned from competition. But since Obra doesn't fall under any national or international sanctioning umbrella, whatever you call it, could he technically come to Oregon and line up with the A's or Masters in a Cross Crusade race?
>>
>> It's Sunday afternoon at PIR, Armstrong rolls up... Is Brad Ross really gonna say "Hey fella beat it... Scram...!"?
>>
>> Could he technically race?
>>
>>
>> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
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>>

Dan H

Molly would kick his ass...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Savage"
To: "OBRA List"
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 6:29 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Okay, legitimate Lance question...

>I know he's banned from competition. But since Obra doesn't fall under any
>national or international sanctioning umbrella, whatever you call it, could
>he technically come to Oregon and line up with the A's or Masters in a
>Cross Crusade race?
>
> It's Sunday afternoon at PIR, Armstrong rolls up... Is Brad Ross really
> gonna say "Hey fella beat it... Scram...!"?
>
> Could he technically race?
>
>
> Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
> _______________________________________________
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Matt Savage

I know he's banned from competition. But since Obra doesn't fall under any national or international sanctioning umbrella, whatever you call it, could he technically come to Oregon and line up with the A's or Masters in a Cross Crusade race?

It's Sunday afternoon at PIR, Armstrong rolls up... Is Brad Ross really gonna say "Hey fella beat it... Scram...!"?

Could he technically race?

Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...