Russ Rainforth

- and Power.

Russ Rainforth
Portlander-in-exile
(i.e. in USAC territory)

On Jan 23, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Ben Fischler wrote:

> Right, should have presumed it came down to money.
>
> -B
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> On Jan 22, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Candi Murray wrote:
>
>> Ben
>> It is business. We have 5000 members,most of who do not purchase USAC $80
>> memberships. If they can take over Oregon it would be $400,000 in
>> memberships fees alone.
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Ben Fischler

Right, should have presumed it came down to money.

-B

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On Jan 22, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Candi Murray wrote:

> Ben
> It is business. We have 5000 members,most of who do not purchase USAC $80
> memberships. If they can take over Oregon it would be $400,000 in
> memberships fees alone.

Patrick Croasdaile

Considering the power struggle going on here, might we just push the needle further by inviting Lance to come and crush our races? He must still be tight with some people at Nike, however behind-the-scenes it is, regardless of his official position with them. It's not like he wouldn't have a support network here. OBRA could parade him around as a reconciliation campaign with juniors, etc.

eh?
Uncooked pipe-dream, but funny to think about.

Evan Plews

He didn't need a bribe. Usac uci carmichael the bike industry at large all rode the LA and doper et al express coattails to great fortune. Follow the $$$!

Evan Plews
www.evanplews.com
503-949-4879

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From: Rick Johnson
Sent: 23 Jan 2013 02:46:10 GMT
To: mohair
Cc: OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cascade Sanctioning 2013

On 1/22/2013 6:31 PM, mohair wrote:
> With all the lawyers involved with OBRA, you would think that someone would find a way to get the USAC into court. Restraint of trade, crossing the center line, there must be something.

Maybe someone who saw Steve Johnson take a bribe from the infamous Lance
Armstrong...

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

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On 1/22/2013 6:31 PM, mohair wrote:
> With all the lawyers involved with OBRA, you would think that someone would find a way to get the USAC into court. Restraint of trade, crossing the center line, there must be something.

Maybe someone who saw Steve Johnson take a bribe from the infamous Lance
Armstrong...

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

mohair

With all the lawyers involved with OBRA, you would think that someone would find a way to get the USAC into court. Restraint of trade, crossing the center line, there must be something.

On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Bryan Curry wrote:

> From following the latest news, one could conclude that USAC would not be unwelcome to new resources.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Candi Murray
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:25 PM
> To: 'Ben Fischler'
> Cc: 'OBRA list list'
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cascade Sanctioning 2013
>
> Ben
> It is business. We have 5000 members,most of who do not purchase USAC $80 memberships. If they can take over Oregon it would be $400,000 in memberships fees alone.
> C
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Fischler [mailto:ben.fischler@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:16 PM
> To: cmurray@obra.org
> Cc: OBRA list list
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cascade Sanctioning 2013
>
> On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:32 AM, Candi Murray wrote:
>
>> USAC wants us out of business. They have refused any duel sanctioning.
>> So all of the events that have done this MtHood, Cascade, USGP will
>> not do it in 2013.
>
> Not to spawn another thread, but WTF is that about?! OBRA seems to be a real boon to cycling in the PNW area, and every OBRA event I've attended or raced has been a pleasure.
>
> Forgive my total ignorance, but what beef could USAC possibly have with OBRA? Apologies if I missed this in the conversation already, but if this is just political buffoonery that's fuct.
>
> -Ben
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Bryan Curry

>From following the latest news, one could conclude that USAC would not be unwelcome to new resources.

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Candi Murray
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:25 PM
To: 'Ben Fischler'
Cc: 'OBRA list list'
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cascade Sanctioning 2013

Ben
It is business. We have 5000 members,most of who do not purchase USAC $80 memberships. If they can take over Oregon it would be $400,000 in memberships fees alone.
C

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Fischler [mailto:ben.fischler@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:16 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org
Cc: OBRA list list
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cascade Sanctioning 2013

On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:32 AM, Candi Murray wrote:

> USAC wants us out of business. They have refused any duel sanctioning.
> So all of the events that have done this MtHood, Cascade, USGP will
> not do it in 2013.

Not to spawn another thread, but WTF is that about?! OBRA seems to be a real boon to cycling in the PNW area, and every OBRA event I've attended or raced has been a pleasure.

Forgive my total ignorance, but what beef could USAC possibly have with OBRA? Apologies if I missed this in the conversation already, but if this is just political buffoonery that's fuct.

-Ben

Mike Richardson

Geez, Ben. Ask the Colorado version of OBRA your question. Oh, I guess you can't. USAC crushed them. They'd rather collect their big old license and entry fees than see our 60-80-100 local races per year full of people having fun and getting fit.

Mike

On Jan 22, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Ben Fischler wrote:

> On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:32 AM, Candi Murray wrote:
>
>> USAC wants us out of business. They have refused any duel sanctioning. So
>> all of the events that have done this MtHood, Cascade, USGP will not do it
>> in 2013.
>
> Not to spawn another thread, but WTF is that about?! OBRA seems to be a real boon to cycling in the PNW area, and every OBRA event I've attended or raced has been a pleasure.
>
> Forgive my total ignorance, but what beef could USAC possibly have with OBRA? Apologies if I missed this in the conversation already, but if this is just political buffoonery that's fuct.
>
> -Ben
>
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> [ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]
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Candi Murray

Ben
It is business. We have 5000 members,most of who do not purchase USAC $80
memberships. If they can take over Oregon it would be $400,000 in
memberships fees alone.
C

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Fischler [mailto:ben.fischler@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:16 PM
To: cmurray@obra.org
Cc: OBRA list list
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cascade Sanctioning 2013

On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:32 AM, Candi Murray wrote:

> USAC wants us out of business. They have refused any duel sanctioning.
> So all of the events that have done this MtHood, Cascade, USGP will
> not do it in 2013.

Not to spawn another thread, but WTF is that about?! OBRA seems to be a
real boon to cycling in the PNW area, and every OBRA event I've attended or
raced has been a pleasure.

Forgive my total ignorance, but what beef could USAC possibly have with
OBRA? Apologies if I missed this in the conversation already, but if this
is just political buffoonery that's fuct.

-Ben

AnimationMentor.com
[ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]

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Ben Fischler

On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:32 AM, Candi Murray wrote:

> USAC wants us out of business. They have refused any duel sanctioning. So
> all of the events that have done this MtHood, Cascade, USGP will not do it
> in 2013.

Not to spawn another thread, but WTF is that about?! OBRA seems to be a real boon to cycling in the PNW area, and every OBRA event I've attended or raced has been a pleasure.

Forgive my total ignorance, but what beef could USAC possibly have with OBRA? Apologies if I missed this in the conversation already, but if this is just political buffoonery that's fuct.

-Ben

AnimationMentor.com
[ ben.fischler@gmail.com ]

Candi Murray

USAC wants us out of business. They have refused any duel sanctioning. So
all of the events that have done this MtHood, Cascade, USGP will not do it
in 2013.
Candi

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Behalf Of Jorge Kaufmann
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:34 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cascade Sanctioning 2013

Is it true there won't be an OBRA sanctioned portion for the Cascade Cycling
Classic this year and a USAC license will be required?

Thanks!
Jorge
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Jorge Kaufmann

Is it true there won't be an OBRA sanctioned portion for the Cascade Cycling Classic this year and a USAC license will be required?

Thanks!
Jorge