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Pat Sagers

2003-04-09

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Yes and I have not posted regarding this topic. I sent 2 emails out on this

subject on Monday around noon. There just now showing up on this list. I

have no idea what happened to them and why there appearing now.

Sorry for the confusion and multiple posts.

Pat

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Yes and I have not posted regarding this topic. I sent 2 emails out on this subject on Monday around noon. There just now showing up on this list. I have no idea what happened to them and why there appearing now.

Sorry for the confusion and multiple posts.

 Pat



 

 

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Cheryl J. Willson

2003-04-09

Not to get anyone's hackles up - but didn't Candi (the moderator of the

list among other things) ask for the group to drop this topic from the

list?

(You can email other masters/debaters directly if you want to continue

discussion.)

Monday, April 7, 2003, at 01:47 PM, Pat Sagers wrote:

This whole issue seems to revolve around the myriad of needs riders

have at different stages of their life.? It seems like two threads are

coming out of this discussion.? One is the arguement about the number

of categories and where the age and skill divisions should be to best

accomidate the race promoters and participants.? The second is harder

to address because it deals with skill\age\"current fitness" status.?

OBRA has a bunch of folks that are aging category 2 riders that simply

don't have the time to compete with their peers, but don't want to

ride in a 4/5 category.

So do we come up with a Masters Cat 1,2 - Not so fit - got a life -?

currently less than 300 miles per week - AND Don't want to ride with a

bunch of ROOKIES?

IMHO, I think older riders that have slowed have an opportunity to

become mentors and coaches of those around them that don't have a

couple hundred races under their belts.

Pat

-----Original Message-----

From: Donovan Douglas [mailto:dmando-@att.net]

Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:20 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] 35+ should be qualification

The USCF acknowleges category 1/2/3 in all master 35+ events,

save for

the 4/5 masters which should be separated from the more

experienced 1-3

cats. Even our National Championships require a rider be 1-3

to compete.

Why should a rider that fits the age qualification not be allowed to

race the master 35+ just because he is cat 1 or 2?

Donovan

Cass, Bill wrote:

I have stayed off this subject for a while but I feel the

need to chime

in.

In all honesty, I think this rule effects me just as much

or more than

the

guy who is getting dropped because he hasn't discovered

bicycle racing

until

their grey haired years. I am a category 2 with 20 years of

riding under

my

belt. I am over 35, have two kids, an understanding wife, a

real job,

family

and community commitments. I ride my bike when I can and

hope I ride

hard

enough to make a difference. Does this mean that I can

compete with a 23

year old who logs 300 plus miles a week and is committed to

his bike. In

a

word, NO. I do not plan on doing the type of training that

is needed to

be

competitive at that level. Last year I managed to squeak

out 150 miles a

week. Most of this coming from a solid teamride on Saturday

and PIR.

This

type of training does not make you a competitive senior

two. What are

you

planning to do with masters who win races? Upgrade them to

senior 2's.

Seems

like a broken logic there. There is a reason there are age

grades. You

are

older, you have other commitments in your life and you want

to enjoy

being

competitive. In this sport like any other sport, the

strongest, fastest

and

smartest competitor usually has an advantage. If you can't

stay with the

group, train more. If you get beaten at the end, learn how

to race. If

you

don't know how to ride in a paceline or echelon in the

wind, join a team

that does and learn how.

Unless you are truly gifted, this is a sport where you are

going to take

it

on the chin for a while. I did my duty when I was 14 and stuck with

racing

without finishing with a field for over a year. I improved

every time I

raced and finally got to the finish line with the field. Riding

with

national champions and 18 year olds That in itself was as much as a

victory

for me as winning the race. It took me another two years to

actually win

one. Seriously, this is a really HARD sport, with everyone

training and

racing Hard. Swing your leg over your toptube and join the

fray and take

what comes or don't show up. Someone who has trained and raced hard

enough

to win should not be held back by those who complain all

the way to the

line. If you are in front of me at the end of a bike race

it is because

you

did something better than I did. I respect that. That is Sport.

Bill Cass

? designer

nikefootwear

503-532-0239

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From: ??? mike.m-@obra.org

Reply To: ??????? mike.m-@obra.org

Sent: ??? Friday, April 4, 2003 12:26 AM

To: ????? ob-@topica.com

Subject:? RE: [OBRA Chat] Criteria to race in Masters

Scott's opinion pretty much reflected the opinion of the OBRA

club

representatives.

Mike Murray

-----Original Message-----

From: Scott Goldstein [mailto:sgold-@mail.bit-by-bit.com]

Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:25 AM

To: matt_m-@hp.com; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Criteria to race in Masters

At 08:47 AM 04/03/2003 -0800, you wrote:

Mike,

Your proposal for master's racing being limited to 3/4/5

only sounded

very

reasonable. Why didn't it fly?

**************************************

Hello Matt, et. al. :

I personally think that Masters racing should be limited

to Cat III max.

HOWEVER, I don't think that OBRA should tell promoters

what to do in

their

races.? Promoters should be free to run their race

however they see fit.

Many race promoters (myself included) have chosen to

limit their masters

fields to Cat III.? I think this should remain simply as

an option,

however, and not be a rule.

Scott

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This whole issue seems to revolve around the myriad of needs riders have at

different stages of their life. It seems like two threads are coming out of

this discussion. One is the arguement about the number of categories and

where the age and skill divisions should be to best accomidate the race

promoters and participants. The second is harder to address because it

deals with skill\age\"current fitness" status. OBRA has a bunch of folks

that are aging category 2 riders that simply don't have the time to compete

with their peers, but don't want to ride in a 4/5 category.

So do we come up with a Masters Cat 1,2 - Not so fit - got a life -

currently less than 300 miles per week - AND Don't want to ride with a bunch

of ROOKIES?

IMHO, I think older riders that have slowed have an opportunity to become

mentors and coaches of those around them that don't have a couple hundred

races under their belts.

Pat

-----Original Message-----

From: Donovan Douglas [mailto:dmando-@att.net]

Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:20 PM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] 35+ should be qualification

The USCF acknowleges category 1/2/3 in all master 35+ events,

save for

the 4/5 masters which should be separated from the more

experienced 1-3

cats. Even our National Championships require a rider be 1-3

to compete.

Why should a rider that fits the age qualification not be allowed to

race the master 35+ just because he is cat 1 or 2?

Donovan

Cass, Bill wrote:

I have stayed off this subject for a while but I feel the