Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

Rick Johnson

2013-01-24

On 1/24/2013 11:49 AM, Melissa Boyd wrote:
> Does anyone know if the silicones and waxes are safe for carbon frames?

They are just fine. As Grant correctly notes in bicycle frames the
carbon is sealed under a protective layer. As a general rule any product
safe for automotive finishes is fine for your bike.

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

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grantcollins@ymail.com

2013-01-24

I would believe it's possible on open raw carbon, but most are gel coated clear. Which is like automotive paint. This would be used for pre-race/ride and washed off with clean up. Not intended for storage purposes.

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On Jan 24, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Melissa Boyd wrote:

> I believe you're not supposed to leave oils and solvents on your carbon frame for prolonged periods, since it can cause the binding resins to break down (delamination/crazing). Does anyone know if the silicones and waxes are safe for carbon frames?
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:47 AM, wrote:
>> Thanks Grant and your buddies.
>> That looks pretty sweet. Does anyone know if it could be purchased locally (at motorcycle dealer maybe)? I would give it a go.
>> ron
>>
>> From: grantcollins@ymail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:02 AM
>> To: Will Fernyhough
>> Cc: mailto:obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>>
>> Found the alternative for Pam that is actually design for such uses! The brand name is Silkolene Pro Prep. Some of my MX buddies say this stuff works awesome on the dirt bikes and makes clean up a snap! Here's the website
>>
>> http://www.silkolenestore.com/more.asp?ProdID=168
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2013, at 12:40 PM, "Will Fernyhough" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I learned an obvious lesson about birth control (not one that I personally adhere to) that might apply to cross racing. It’s called abstinence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of rondot@spiritone.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:55 AM
>>>> To: Stewart Campbell; Grant Collins; obra@list.obra.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some good ideas. We all know there are some course conditions that overwhelm any attempt (by application of various things) to prevent mud accumulation. In those conditions “running” certain sections is the best medicine. Take PIR Pro Paddock this past season as an example. I am sure various things help some, but the various applications of “stuff” often is overwhelmed because of the conditions. I personally apply Pedro’s Bike Lust after cleaning. It is silicone based. Not sure if it helps prevent accumulation, but seems to help with bike cleaning. I have also done nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck out there.
>>>>
>>>> So those of you reading this and thinking to yourself....”hey I just learned something”....Great. But if you have some secret weapon you use, why not share it with others instead of keeping it to yourself? This kind of sharing helps people in their year-round riding experiences.
>>>>
>>>> ronnie
>>>>
>>>> From: Stewart Campbell
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:23 AM
>>>>
>>>> To: Grant Collins ; obra@list.obra.org
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I was doing the cx bike washing someone else mentioned using Pam. I did not get around to try it on my cx bike but then again, I've got the pressure washer, ha ha.
>>>>
>>>> Grant, let me know if you get any other feed back.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Stewart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Grant Collins
>>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:55 AM
>>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?
>>>>
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Melissa Boyd

2013-01-24

I believe you're not supposed to leave oils and solvents on your carbon
frame for prolonged periods, since it can cause the binding resins to break
down (delamination/crazing). Does anyone know if the silicones and waxes
are safe for carbon frames?

Melissa

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:47 AM, wrote:

> Thanks Grant and your buddies.
> That looks pretty sweet. Does anyone know if it could be purchased
> locally (at motorcycle dealer maybe)? I would give it a go.
> ron
>
> *From:* grantcollins@ymail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:02 AM
> *To:* Will Fernyhough
> *Cc:* mailto:obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>
> Found the alternative for Pam that is actually design for such uses! The
> brand name is Silkolene Pro Prep. Some of my MX buddies say this stuff
> works awesome on the dirt bikes and makes clean up a snap! Here's the
> website
>
> http://www.silkolenestore.com/more.asp?ProdID=168
>
>
>
> ------__o
> ----_ \ {,
> ---(_)/(_)
> Thanks GC
> 425-780-0374
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 23, 2013, at 12:40 PM, "Will Fernyhough"
> wrote:
>
> I learned an obvious lesson about birth control (not one that I
> personally adhere to) that might apply to cross racing. It’s called
> abstinence.****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org]
> *On Behalf Of *rondot@spiritone.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:55 AM
> *To:* Stewart Campbell; Grant Collins; obra@list.obra.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?****
>
> ****
>
> Some good ideas. We all know there are some course conditions that
> overwhelm any attempt (by application of various things) to prevent mud
> accumulation. In those conditions “running” certain sections is the best
> medicine. Take PIR Pro Paddock this past season as an example. I am sure
> various things help some, but the various applications of “stuff” often is
> overwhelmed because of the conditions. I personally apply Pedro’s Bike
> Lust after cleaning. It is silicone based. Not sure if it helps prevent
> accumulation, but seems to help with bike cleaning. I have also done
> nothing. ****
>
> Good luck out there.****
>
> So those of you reading this and thinking to yourself....”hey I just
> learned something”....Great. But if you have some secret weapon *you use*,
> why not share it with others instead of keeping it to yourself? This kind
> of sharing helps people in their year-round riding experiences. ****
>
> ronnie ****
>
> *From:* Stewart Campbell ****
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:23 AM****
>
> *To:* Grant Collins ; obra@list.obra.org ****
>
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?****
>
> ****
>
> When I was doing the cx bike washing someone else mentioned using Pam. I
> did not get around to try it on my cx bike but then again, I've got the
> pressure washer, ha ha.****
>
> Grant, let me know if you get any other feed back.****
>
> ****
>
> -Stewart****
>
> ****
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Grant Collins
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:55 AM
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?****
>
>
> Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to
> shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya
> keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water.
> there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your
> thoughts?
>
> GC
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rondot@spiritone.com

2013-01-24

Thanks Grant and your buddies.
That looks pretty sweet. Does anyone know if it could be purchased locally (at motorcycle dealer maybe)? I would give it a go.
ron

From: grantcollins@ymail.com
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:02 AM
To: Will Fernyhough
Cc: mailto:obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

Found the alternative for Pam that is actually design for such uses! The brand name is Silkolene Pro Prep. Some of my MX buddies say this stuff works awesome on the dirt bikes and makes clean up a snap! Here's the website

http://www.silkolenestore.com/more.asp?ProdID=168

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---(_)/(_)
Thanks GC
425-780-0374

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2013, at 12:40 PM, "Will Fernyhough" wrote:

I learned an obvious lesson about birth control (not one that I personally adhere to) that might apply to cross racing. It’s called abstinence.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of rondot@spiritone.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:55 AM
To: Stewart Campbell; Grant Collins; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

Some good ideas. We all know there are some course conditions that overwhelm any attempt (by application of various things) to prevent mud accumulation. In those conditions “running” certain sections is the best medicine. Take PIR Pro Paddock this past season as an example. I am sure various things help some, but the various applications of “stuff” often is overwhelmed because of the conditions. I personally apply Pedro’s Bike Lust after cleaning. It is silicone based. Not sure if it helps prevent accumulation, but seems to help with bike cleaning. I have also done nothing.

Good luck out there.

So those of you reading this and thinking to yourself....”hey I just learned something”....Great. But if you have some secret weapon you use, why not share it with others instead of keeping it to yourself? This kind of sharing helps people in their year-round riding experiences.

ronnie

From: Stewart Campbell

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:23 AM

To: Grant Collins ; obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

When I was doing the cx bike washing someone else mentioned using Pam. I did not get around to try it on my cx bike but then again, I've got the pressure washer, ha ha.

Grant, let me know if you get any other feed back.

-Stewart

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From: Grant Collins
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:55 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?

GC
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grantcollins@ymail.com

2013-01-24

Found the alternative for Pam that is actually design for such uses! The brand name is Silkolene Pro Prep. Some of my MX buddies say this stuff works awesome on the dirt bikes and makes clean up a snap! Here's the website

http://www.silkolenestore.com/more.asp?ProdID=168

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---(_)/(_)
Thanks GC
425-780-0374

>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 23, 2013, at 12:40 PM, "Will Fernyhough" wrote:
>
>> I learned an obvious lesson about birth control (not one that I personally adhere to) that might apply to cross racing. It’s called abstinence.
>>
>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of rondot@spiritone.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:55 AM
>> To: Stewart Campbell; Grant Collins; obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>>
>> Some good ideas. We all know there are some course conditions that overwhelm any attempt (by application of various things) to prevent mud accumulation. In those conditions “running” certain sections is the best medicine. Take PIR Pro Paddock this past season as an example. I am sure various things help some, but the various applications of “stuff” often is overwhelmed because of the conditions. I personally apply Pedro’s Bike Lust after cleaning. It is silicone based. Not sure if it helps prevent accumulation, but seems to help with bike cleaning. I have also done nothing.
>> Good luck out there.
>> So those of you reading this and thinking to yourself....”hey I just learned something”....Great. But if you have some secret weapon you use, why not share it with others instead of keeping it to yourself? This kind of sharing helps people in their year-round riding experiences.
>> ronnie
>> From: Stewart Campbell
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:23 AM
>> To: Grant Collins ; obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>>
>> When I was doing the cx bike washing someone else mentioned using Pam. I did not get around to try it on my cx bike but then again, I've got the pressure washer, ha ha.
>> Grant, let me know if you get any other feed back.
>>
>> -Stewart
>>
>> From: Grant Collins
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:55 AM
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>>
>> Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?
>>
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rondot@spiritone.com

2013-01-24

Will / whoever else if bored enough to follow this,
I like how you get over the barriers and think outside the sand box. Where did you learn that lesson?
Yeah... Just say no to racing and or sex (but we are human). Or....are you speaking of Cross dressing?
I have not read the fine print on the Pam Can, but maybe it needs to be used in an area with adequate ventilation. If applied at the outdoor Cross venue, the potential physical harm (if any), confusion with regard to type of dress (never at a cross race), or the fact that birth control is usually not needed at Cross races (from my experience) should make Pam a great option for all or none of the above.
Keeping this in the realm of racing.....Hey! I was cut a lap. I should have tried Pam on my fender. Am I actually in the wrong cat.?
ronnie

From: Will Fernyhough
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:40 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

I learned an obvious lesson about birth control (not one that I personally adhere to) that might apply to cross racing. It’s called abstinence.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of rondot@spiritone.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:55 AM
To: Stewart Campbell; Grant Collins; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

Some good ideas. We all know there are some course conditions that overwhelm any attempt (by application of various things) to prevent mud accumulation. In those conditions “running” certain sections is the best medicine. Take PIR Pro Paddock this past season as an example. I am sure various things help some, but the various applications of “stuff” often is overwhelmed because of the conditions. I personally apply Pedro’s Bike Lust after cleaning. It is silicone based. Not sure if it helps prevent accumulation, but seems to help with bike cleaning. I have also done nothing.

Good luck out there.

So those of you reading this and thinking to yourself....”hey I just learned something”....Great. But if you have some secret weapon you use, why not share it with others instead of keeping it to yourself? This kind of sharing helps people in their year-round riding experiences.

ronnie

From: Stewart Campbell

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:23 AM

To: Grant Collins ; obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

When I was doing the cx bike washing someone else mentioned using Pam. I did not get around to try it on my cx bike but then again, I've got the pressure washer, ha ha.

Grant, let me know if you get any other feed back.

-Stewart

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From: Grant Collins
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:55 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?

GC
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Will. If the terms "abstinence" and "birth control" appear in the same thread as Pedro's Bike Lust, I think it means you've either failed to use the Pedro's product properly or you're using it for an off label purpose.  

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From: Will Fernyhough
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

I learned an obvious lesson about birth control (not one that I personally adhere to) that might apply to cross racing.  It’s called abstinence.
 
From:obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of rondot@spiritone.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:55 AM
To: Stewart Campbell; Grant Collins; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
 
Some good ideas.  We all know there are some course conditions that overwhelm any attempt (by application of various things) to prevent mud accumulation.  In those conditions “running” certain sections is the best medicine.  Take PIR Pro Paddock this past season as an example.  I am sure various things help some, but the various applications of “stuff” often is overwhelmed because of the conditions.  I personally apply Pedro’s Bike Lust after cleaning.  It is silicone based.  Not sure if it helps prevent accumulation, but seems to help with bike cleaning.  I have also done nothing.  
Good luck out there.
So those of you reading this and thinking to yourself....”hey I just learned something”....Great.  But if you have some secret weapon you use, why not share it with others instead of keeping it to yourself?  This kind of sharing helps people in their year-round riding experiences.
ronnie 
From:Stewart Campbell
Sent:Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:23 AM
To:Grant Collins ; obra@list.obra.org
Subject:Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
 
When I was doing the cx bike washing someone else mentioned using Pam.  I did not get around to try it on my cx bike but then again, I've got the pressure washer, ha ha.
Grant, let me know if you get any other feed back.
 
-Stewart
 

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From:Grant Collins
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:55 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?

GC
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grantcollins@ymail.com

2013-01-23

I like my bike races like I like my women! Dirty!

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On Jan 23, 2013, at 12:40 PM, "Will Fernyhough" wrote:

> I learned an obvious lesson about birth control (not one that I personally adhere to) that might apply to cross racing. It’s called abstinence.
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of rondot@spiritone.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:55 AM
> To: Stewart Campbell; Grant Collins; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>
> Some good ideas. We all know there are some course conditions that overwhelm any attempt (by application of various things) to prevent mud accumulation. In those conditions “running” certain sections is the best medicine. Take PIR Pro Paddock this past season as an example. I am sure various things help some, but the various applications of “stuff” often is overwhelmed because of the conditions. I personally apply Pedro’s Bike Lust after cleaning. It is silicone based. Not sure if it helps prevent accumulation, but seems to help with bike cleaning. I have also done nothing.
> Good luck out there.
> So those of you reading this and thinking to yourself....”hey I just learned something”....Great. But if you have some secret weapon you use, why not share it with others instead of keeping it to yourself? This kind of sharing helps people in their year-round riding experiences.
> ronnie
> From: Stewart Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:23 AM
> To: Grant Collins ; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>
> When I was doing the cx bike washing someone else mentioned using Pam. I did not get around to try it on my cx bike but then again, I've got the pressure washer, ha ha.
> Grant, let me know if you get any other feed back.
>
> -Stewart
>
> From: Grant Collins
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:55 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>
> Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?
>
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Will Fernyhough

2013-01-23

I learned an obvious lesson about birth control (not one that I personally adhere to) that might apply to cross racing. It’s called abstinence.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of rondot@spiritone.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:55 AM
To: Stewart Campbell; Grant Collins; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

Some good ideas. We all know there are some course conditions that overwhelm any attempt (by application of various things) to prevent mud accumulation. In those conditions “running” certain sections is the best medicine. Take PIR Pro Paddock this past season as an example. I am sure various things help some, but the various applications of “stuff” often is overwhelmed because of the conditions. I personally apply Pedro’s Bike Lust after cleaning. It is silicone based. Not sure if it helps prevent accumulation, but seems to help with bike cleaning. I have also done nothing.

Good luck out there.

So those of you reading this and thinking to yourself....”hey I just learned something”....Great. But if you have some secret weapon you use, why not share it with others instead of keeping it to yourself? This kind of sharing helps people in their year-round riding experiences.

ronnie

From: Stewart Campbell

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:23 AM

To: Grant Collins ; obra@list.obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

When I was doing the cx bike washing someone else mentioned using Pam. I did not get around to try it on my cx bike but then again, I've got the pressure washer, ha ha.

Grant, let me know if you get any other feed back.

-Stewart

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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?

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rondot@spiritone.com

2013-01-23

Some good ideas. We all know there are some course conditions that overwhelm any attempt (by application of various things) to prevent mud accumulation. In those conditions “running” certain sections is the best medicine. Take PIR Pro Paddock this past season as an example. I am sure various things help some, but the various applications of “stuff” often is overwhelmed because of the conditions. I personally apply Pedro’s Bike Lust after cleaning. It is silicone based. Not sure if it helps prevent accumulation, but seems to help with bike cleaning. I have also done nothing.
Good luck out there.
So those of you reading this and thinking to yourself....”hey I just learned something”....Great. But if you have some secret weapon you use, why not share it with others instead of keeping it to yourself? This kind of sharing helps people in their year-round riding experiences.
ronnie
From: Stewart Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:23 AM
To: Grant Collins ; obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

When I was doing the cx bike washing someone else mentioned using Pam. I did not get around to try it on my cx bike but then again, I've got the pressure washer, ha ha.
Grant, let me know if you get any other feed back.

-Stewart

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Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?

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grantcollins@ymail.com

2013-01-23

I thought about this riding to work this morning. I used to use Pam on the front of my street bike in the summer. I sprayed it on the windscreen, fairings and forks. Wiping the bug guts off was a breeze! So I'm riding my new shiny Ridley X-Fire with its high gloss black and yellow finish, and I say to myself. I bet Pam would really help keep the road grime down to a minimum. And work even better for CX racing. So ill give it a try and report back in a week of how well it seems to work.

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On Jan 23, 2013, at 11:54 AM, wrote:

> Some good ideas. We all know there are some course conditions that overwhelm any attempt (by application of various things) to prevent mud accumulation. In those conditions “running” certain sections is the best medicine. Take PIR Pro Paddock this past season as an example. I am sure various things help some, but the various applications of “stuff” often is overwhelmed because of the conditions. I personally apply Pedro’s Bike Lust after cleaning. It is silicone based. Not sure if it helps prevent accumulation, but seems to help with bike cleaning. I have also done nothing.
> Good luck out there.
> So those of you reading this and thinking to yourself....”hey I just learned something”....Great. But if you have some secret weapon you use, why not share it with others instead of keeping it to yourself? This kind of sharing helps people in their year-round riding experiences.
> ronnie
> From: Stewart Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:23 AM
> To: Grant Collins ; obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>
> When I was doing the cx bike washing someone else mentioned using Pam. I did not get around to try it on my cx bike but then again, I've got the pressure washer, ha ha.
> Grant, let me know if you get any other feed back.
>
> -Stewart
>
> From: Grant Collins
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:55 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>
> Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?
>
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Erik Voldengen

2013-01-23

I prefer imitation lemon scented Pledge. Real Pledge is wax free, but the
fake stuff isn't. It works good and smells nice.

It just makes cleanup easier, and I think it helps in places like under
your seat wear mud actually sticks to the bike. I've used it on my pedals
and shoes too.

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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Grant Collins wrote:

> Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to
> shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya
> keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water.
> there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your
> thoughts?
>
> GC
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Stewart Campbell

2013-01-23

When I was doing the cx bike washing someone else mentioned using Pam.  I did not get around to try it on my cx bike but then again, I've got the pressure washer, ha ha.
Grant, let me know if you get any other feed back.

-Stewart

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:55 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?

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grantcollins@ymail.com

2013-01-23

If anything it should help with the cleaning process!

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On Jan 23, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Dan Anderson wrote:

> I tried Trader Joe's canola oil spray this year, and it actually worked in a few places. The underside of my down tube stayed really clean, and the back of the seat tube near the wheel was fairly clean. In the places where the bike really gunks it couldn't keep up with the mud, but it may have helped a bit....who's to say? For Kruger's, I should have sprayed my face with it.
>
> From: Grant Collins
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:55 AM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>
> Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?
>
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matt Savage

2013-01-23

I'm gonna send my frames off to Dupont to be Teflon coated...

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Grant Collins wrote:

> Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to
> shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya
> keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water.
> there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your
> thoughts?
>
> GC
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Dan Anderson

2013-01-23

I tried Trader Joe's canola oil spray this year, and it actually worked in a few places.  The underside of my down tube stayed really clean, and the back of the seat tube near the wheel was fairly clean.  In the places where the bike really gunks it couldn't keep up with the mud, but it may have helped a bit....who's to say?  For Kruger's, I should have sprayed my face with it.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:55 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?

Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?

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Maximillian Kirchoff

2013-01-23

I've tried using it in a few races. It worked well, but my problem was
the yolks kept breaking in the gravel sections.

HAR HAR
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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:05 AM, EAL wrote:
>
> Mud tends to accumulate and wreaks the most havoc in and around places where
> its forced into place by mechanical means (brake area and derailleurs) or is
> kept in place by gravity (chainstay;seatstay junction). So I think the
> upside to using the spray isn't worth the down side. On the other hand, if
> you used recycled oil from a french fryer or waffle iron you'd have the
> sweet smell of fried carbos while riding. That may be reason enough to try
> it.
>
> Ed
> ________________________________
> From: Grant Collins
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:55 AM
>
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Pam Non-Stick spray for CX bikes?
>
> Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to
> shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya
> keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there
> could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?
>
> GC
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Mud tends to accumulate and wreaks the most havoc in and around places where its forced into place by mechanical means (brake area and derailleurs) or is kept in place by gravity (chainstay;seatstay junction).  So I think the upside to using the spray isn't worth the down side.   On the other hand, if you used recycled oil from a french fryer or waffle iron you'd have the sweet smell of fried carbos while riding.  That may be reason enough to try it.

Ed 

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Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?

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2013-01-23

Pam and WD-40 have been used for years in the Motocross world. It works!

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Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?

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Has anyone ever experimented with Pam non-stick spray on thier cx bikes to shed mud and water during a race? Makes sense to me? Whats the negative, ya keep it away from brakes obviously. It washes off with soap and water. there could be a 50-60% mud shedding gain by using this?! WHats your thoughts?

GC