Jeff Tedder
Ummmm, sure if you bring a tow rope and drag me up every hill, then I
promise to pull you back down the back side of every climb...haha
---- Original Message -----
From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
To: "Jeff Tedder"
Cc: "Erik Long" ; "Obra Contact"
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Why are so few Road Races on Sundays?
> LOL. It'll make you stronger. Heck- if you do it, I'll do it with
> you. And we can complain to each other the entire way.
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Jeff Tedder
> wrote:
>> ya no thanks....not interested in packing my fat ass over 72 miles of up
>> and
>> down : ) just sayin..........
>> I will leave that one alone....but sounds like a great race for some.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message ----- From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
>> To: "Jeff Tedder"
>> Cc: "Erik Long" ; "Obra Contact"
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:19 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Why are so few Road Races on Sundays?
>>
>>
>>> you could always wait till the Gorge Roubaix to get your fill!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jeff Tedder
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> that's to bad, was looking forward to a short circiut with gravel.....
>>>> and close to town so we could ride to the venue.....
>>>> onward and upward I guess : )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
>>>> To: "Jeff Tedder"
>>>> Cc: "Erik Long" ; "Obra Contact"
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:09 AM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Why are so few Road Races on Sundays?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There was some safety issues with the venue. We tried really hard to
>>>>> help make it work but we just couldn't. David was awesome and found
>>>>> another venue. (Big kudos to him for that)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Jeff Tedder
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm, I thought these races were in Troutdale by the airport??? with
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> gravel sections....just asking, don't come back and start
>>>>>> bashing.....:
>>>>>> )
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Kenji Sugahara"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: "Erik Long"
>>>>>> Cc: "Obra Contact"
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:55 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Why are so few Road Races on Sundays?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dirty Circle races are on Sunday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which by the way as an update- will be run on part of the old Piece
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Cake course in Woodland, WA.
>>>>>>> (I don't believe there will be any gravel)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Erik Long
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To each and every individual who suggested that I "put on my own
>>>>>>>> race"
>>>>>>>> (particularly if you're a race organizer), that is neither helpful,
>>>>>>>> nor
>>>>>>>> productive. Oregon has plenty of good race promoters and the last
>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>> Obra needs is an amateur like myself mucking about, and you know
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When a customer asks about details related to your product, the
>>>>>>>> appropriate
>>>>>>>> response is to answer with the relevant information on hand. "Make
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> own" is a way of giving your customer the finger. If a customer
>>>>>>>> comes
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> and asks why the bike I'm selling to him has no fender eyelets, I
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> to tell him to "build his own". Either I put him on a bike with
>>>>>>>> fenders
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> meet the needs of my customer, or I explain why there are no full
>>>>>>>> fenders
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> fit a 29-inch full-suspension fat-bike recumbent. Similarly, when
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> employer tells me I'm needed to work on Saturday and I answer "do
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> yourself", the result will not bode well for me. Better to meet
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>> of my employer who is, in many ways, a customer of my very own.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sundays. The reality is that at the moment there are exactly two
>>>>>>>> (2)
>>>>>>>> road
>>>>>>>> events occurring on Sundays between March 24th and June 16th and
>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> them are Gran Fondos (A.K.A. expensive charity rides). I'm sure
>>>>>>>> they'll
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> a lot of fun, but that's 11 Sundays in a row during the height of
>>>>>>>> "Road
>>>>>>>> Season" without any "Road Races". That's really strange.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finally, Thank you, Jeff Mitchem. You have given a simple answer
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> simple question asked by a customer. The conflicts you mention -
>>>>>>>> venue
>>>>>>>> changes, pre-existing events - are fully understandable. You'll
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> money at Montinore. Also, thank you for moving Banana Belt to May.
>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>> move was long overdue, and if I can sneak out of work on a Saturday
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>> putting myself on thin ice at work, I'll be handing you even more
>>>>>>>> cash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>> -Erik
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:01:18 -0800
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Why are so few Road Races on Sundays?
>>>>>>>> From: jeff.mitchem@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: drew_coleman@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>> CC: rickcjohnson1@gmail.com; elongride@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, it seems that it comes down to God or Money. Apparently,
>>>>>>>> Saturday
>>>>>>>> races
>>>>>>>> draw a more pious crowd, while Sunday races bring in the money
>>>>>>>> grubbing
>>>>>>>> heathen seen gallivanting about those Crusade events. Well, I love
>>>>>>>> both.
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, as a race promoter, it appears I cannot always
>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>> both. I
>>>>>>>> guess I'll just have to be OK with that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for BB13 (May 4, 11, 18), two factors have contributed to moving
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> Saturday - 1. the schedule change from March to May resulted in
>>>>>>>> conflicting
>>>>>>>> road use permits with a pre-existing event. 2. course and race
>>>>>>>> staging
>>>>>>>> venue
>>>>>>>> changes resulted Sunday conflicts. However, there is an outside
>>>>>>>> chance
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> the first BB may be held on Sunday (more soon on that).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for Montinore (July 14), Sunday it is! So, all you Crusaders
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> budget extra $ for some vino! And, in true Crusade style, there
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>>> be vino primes and overall prizes (more soon on that too).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ride safe,
>>>>>>>> __________
>>>>>>>> Jeff Mitchem
>>>>>>>> banana belt, sat
>>>>>>>> montinore, sun
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Drew Coleman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I, for one, am super jazzed about the trend towards Saturdays. I
>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>> race on Sundays at all due to church conflicts, so I'm looking
>>>>>>>> forward
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> full, consistent road schedule. That being said, I feel your
>>>>>>>> frustration.
>>>>>>>> I can't do many of the cross races for the same reason I just
>>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>> (have only been to one Crusade race), but there is more balance
>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>> Saturday and Sunday. However, I believe more people race cross so
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> more riders to support more events.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:28:41 -0800
>>>>>>>> From: rickcjohnson1@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: elongride@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>> CC: obra@list.obra.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Why are so few Road Races on Sundays?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think you're crazy. I think there should be a balance
>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>> Saturday vs Sunday races. My belief is it comes down to travel
>>>>>>>> distance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Saturday races primarily work well for those who don't have far to
>>>>>>>> go.
>>>>>>>> One
>>>>>>>> can take care of Friday's business (work, etc.) and still prepare a
>>>>>>>> bike,
>>>>>>>> eat well and get some sleep. With a short trip (ideally riding) to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Saturday event all is well. Sunday is then great for recovery,
>>>>>>>> honey-dos
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the like.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But if one has far to go to the event Saturday sucks. It usually
>>>>>>>> goes
>>>>>>>> something like this: Finish up a hectic work week, rush home and
>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> the bike(s) ready, eat, prepare the car (or coordinate car pooling)
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>> to get to bed at a decent hour. Then get up early, rush through a
>>>>>>>> morning
>>>>>>>> routine, then get in a vehicle and sit still for one, two or three
>>>>>>>> hours.
>>>>>>>> Jump out of the car, deal with whatever registration SNAFU is
>>>>>>>> happening
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> day and hope to get some sort of a warmup in. Eating a good
>>>>>>>> breakfast
>>>>>>>> usually doesn't happen and God help you if the lines for the
>>>>>>>> port-a-johns
>>>>>>>> are long.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rick Johnson
>>>>>>>> Bend Oregon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * * *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Political Parallelism, part 1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most criminals are aided by the use of a motor vehicle. Therefore I
>>>>>>>> propose
>>>>>>>> we limit the size of all fuel tanks to a maximum of 5 gallons.
>>>>>>>> It's a "common sense regulation" that will impede unlawful use of
>>>>>>>> motor
>>>>>>>> vehicles while not infringing on the right of people to travel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/30/2013 10:06 AM, Erik Long wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems like all the prominent one-day Oregon races are on
>>>>>>>> Saturdays
>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>> I'm scratching my head as to why.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once Upon a time, Road Races in Oregon were held pretty
>>>>>>>> consistently
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> Sundays, when virtually anyone could get a day off of work and, you
>>>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>> pay an entry fee and race their bikes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why are the vast majority of Oregon's one-day races now on
>>>>>>>> Saturdays?
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> that we have weekly races and those are good training, but there's
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> much that a rider can get out of a weekly series. I understand the
>>>>>>>> importance of Sundays to many people as a self-imposed day of rest
>>>>>>>> (religion, family, etc.), but many of us who want to race real road
>>>>>>>> races
>>>>>>>> have jobs that don't offer Banker's Hours and are expected to work
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>> Saturdays. By comparison, I know very few people who work on
>>>>>>>> Sundays
>>>>>>>> (actually, I can't think of anyone I know who consistently has to
>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>> Sundays). As a full-time bike shop employee, I've worked exactly 5
>>>>>>>> Sundays
>>>>>>>> in the last 4 years. Like many service/retail jobs, my place of
>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> often closed on Sundays, eliminating the conflict altogether.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't say anything, but look at the 2013 road schedule and
>>>>>>>> you'll
>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>> that if you're a road racer who works Saturdays, there's almost
>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> you after March. This reality may be one of the reasons that the
>>>>>>>> mighty
>>>>>>>> Cross Crusade sees the level of participation that it does with the
>>>>>>>> vast
>>>>>>>> majority of its events occurring on Sundays.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many Obra members have work schedules that already prohibit them
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> riding
>>>>>>>> any stage races, so why make the one-day events so elusive? Why
>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> many riders from handing over their money on race day?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I'm crazy, tell me I'm crazy. But if you're one of the many
>>>>>>>> Obra
>>>>>>>> riders
>>>>>>>> who will have to races like King's Valley and the Banana Belt
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> they're not on Sundays, please speak up!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Erik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Kenji Sugahara
>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>>>>>>> Phone: 503-278-5550
>>>>>>> http://www.obra.org
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kenji Sugahara
>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>>>>> Phone: 503-278-5550
>>>>> http://www.obra.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kenji Sugahara
>>> Executive Director
>>> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
>>> Phone: 503-278-5550
>>> http://www.obra.org
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Kenji Sugahara
> Executive Director
> Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
> Phone: 503-278-5550
> http://www.obra.org