adam holt

Sounds like you guys should think twice about riding with Carl???

(Kidding, for the record)

Adam

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 9, 2013, at 9:17 AM, "Darell C. Provencher" wrote:

> This happened to me and Carl Hoefer almost 2 yrs ago in North Plains:
>
> On Jul 10, 2010, at 2:39 PM, "Darell C. Provencher" wrote:
>
> This morning I was coming back from a team ride out to the Banks area and back, and linked up with Carl Hoefer on the way back to Liberty HS via North Plains. At about 10:50 am, Carl and I were riding single file on NW Glencoe Rd, just a few hundred yds from the West Union and Glencoe Rd intersection, when a guy in a dark green Range Rover pulled up next to us, rolled down his passenger window and began screaming expletives at us. He then tried to run us off the road. When he reached the intersection, he stopped, got out of his car, and approaches us screaming, giving us the finger, and saying to us (and even apparently to bewildered cyclists approaching the intersection from the east on West Union), "Stay off the road or I will run you off the road." Carl and I moved around his vehicle (stopping at the stop sign and putting foot down) and turned east onto West Union. The driver went straight on Glencoe, still screaming out his window and flipping us
> off. I filed a complaint to Washington County Sheriff, and also ended up talking to North Plains reserve police officer Matt Brady. Officer Brady grew up in the area, is a cyclist as well, and knows this individual. We had a very constructive conversation, and he mentioned other reports today of cyclists riding "three or four abreast" and blocking traffic. Maybe this driver came across some of these situations, and decided to take his anger out on us (which is still unacceptable and dangerous).
>
> So if you're riding in the North Plains area:
> Keep an eye out for a dark green Range Rover, Oregon license plate 375 ENW. This guy has a big anger issue and should be (in my opinion) considered unpredictable.
> When you're riding on these great-but-narrow roads -- use common sense and obey the traffic laws. Oregon law may allow you to ride 2 abreast, but don't abuse it. Ride single file when there's little or no shoulder and be courteous to motorists. Come to a full stop at stop signs. Recommend a foot dab as well in North Plains.
> Be courteous to the reserve officers in our communities. These guys have a tough job. Just ask our fellow police/bike racers, Greg Magnus and Chauncey (the Sheriff) Curl
> Be safe out there
> Thanks,
>
> Darell
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Steve Brown wrote:
>> This calls for legislation to impose jail time and heavy fines for anyone stopping a motor vehicle to harass a cyclist. If someone helps me write the proposed legislation, I am willing to carry it to Salem. It may take a coordinated effort by those who have had these type of run-ins who might be able to testify if the potential legislation gets a committee hearing. A few years back I would have contacted Scott Bricker at BTA, but may also need help in that respect.
>>
>>
>> Steve Brown
>> 503.781.3631
>>
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Eric Gushurst wrote:
>>
>> > Any advice/suggestions on reporting an unfriendly and reckless driver?
>> >
>> > A friend and I were riding up NW Moreland Sunday (on Soldberger near Dorland intersection), when a car whipped around the corner behind us (once we heard him, we moved over), proceeded to lay on the horn for a while (as we're now single file), gunned it around us and sped away 100 yrds up the road. Then slammed on the brakes and got out of his car to confront us.
>> >
>> > He yelled at us for obstructing the road (note, he stopped his car in the middle of the road for this speech, ironically), said bikes weren't welcomed "out here", bikes actually "legally aren't allowed on these roads b/c there aren't any bike lanes " and that "someday, someone is going to run you off the road and you'll get hurt."
>> >
>> > We kept moving along and he peeled away after we passed. We have his license plate and description but not sure what's the best protocol for such an incident, noting we don't want the guy going super crazy on the next person....
>> >
>> > Thanks, and if in the neighborhood, watch out for a ~1994 black hatchback honda civic with orange disabled veteran plate (this specific plate type is technically only for motorcycles/mopeds, but hey, laws are just recommendations....right?)
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Darell C. Provencher

This happened to me and Carl Hoefer almost 2 yrs ago in North Plains:

On Jul 10, 2010, at 2:39 PM, "Darell C. Provencher"
wrote:

This morning I was coming back from a team ride out to the Banks area and
back, and linked up with Carl Hoefer on the way back to Liberty HS via
North Plains. At about 10:50 am, Carl and I were riding single file on NW
Glencoe Rd, just a few hundred yds from the West Union and Glencoe Rd
intersection, when a guy in a dark green Range Rover pulled up next to us,
rolled down his passenger window and began screaming expletives at us. He
then tried to run us off the road. When he reached the intersection, he
stopped, got out of his car, and approaches us screaming, giving us the
finger, and saying to us (and even apparently to bewildered cyclists
approaching the intersection from the east on West Union), "Stay off the
road or I will run you off the road." Carl and I moved around his vehicle
(stopping at the stop sign and putting foot down) and turned east onto West
Union. The driver went straight on Glencoe, still screaming out his window
and flipping us
off. I filed a complaint to Washington County Sheriff, and also ended up
talking to North Plains reserve police officer Matt Brady. Officer Brady
grew up in the area, is a cyclist as well, and knows this individual. We
had a very constructive conversation, and he mentioned other reports today
of cyclists riding "three or four abreast" and blocking traffic. Maybe
this driver came across some of these situations, and decided to take his
anger out on us (which is still unacceptable and dangerous).

So if you're riding in the North Plains area:
Keep an eye out for a dark green Range Rover, Oregon license plate 375 ENW.
This guy has a big anger issue and should be (in my opinion) considered
unpredictable.
When you're riding on these great-but-narrow roads -- use common sense and
obey the traffic laws. Oregon law may allow you to ride 2 abreast, but
don't abuse it. Ride single file when there's little or no shoulder and be
courteous to motorists. Come to a full stop at stop signs. Recommend a
foot dab as well in North Plains.
Be courteous to the reserve officers in our communities. These guys have a
tough job. Just ask our fellow police/bike racers, Greg Magnus and Chauncey
(the Sheriff) Curl
Be safe out there
Thanks,

Darell

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Steve Brown wrote:

> This calls for legislation to impose jail time and heavy fines for anyone
> stopping a motor vehicle to harass a cyclist. If someone helps me write
> the proposed legislation, I am willing to carry it to Salem. It may take a
> coordinated effort by those who have had these type of run-ins who might be
> able to testify if the potential legislation gets a committee hearing. A
> few years back I would have contacted Scott Bricker at BTA, but may also
> need help in that respect.
>
>
> Steve Brown
> 503.781.3631
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Eric Gushurst wrote:
>
> > Any advice/suggestions on reporting an unfriendly and reckless driver?
> >
> > A friend and I were riding up NW Moreland Sunday (on Soldberger near
> Dorland intersection), when a car whipped around the corner behind us (once
> we heard him, we moved over), proceeded to lay on the horn for a while (as
> we're now single file), gunned it around us and sped away 100 yrds up the
> road. Then slammed on the brakes and got out of his car to confront us.
> >
> > He yelled at us for obstructing the road (note, he stopped his car in
> the middle of the road for this speech, ironically), said bikes weren't
> welcomed "out here", bikes actually "legally aren't allowed on these roads
> b/c there aren't any bike lanes " and that "someday, someone is going to
> run you off the road and you'll get hurt."
> >
> > We kept moving along and he peeled away after we passed. We have his
> license plate and description but not sure what's the best protocol for
> such an incident, noting we don't want the guy going super crazy on the
> next person....
> >
> > Thanks, and if in the neighborhood, watch out for a ~1994 black
> hatchback honda civic with orange disabled veteran plate (this specific
> plate type is technically only for motorcycles/mopeds, but hey, laws are
> just recommendations....right?)
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Henderson, Charles R

I would note that The Gresham code does not contemplate cyclists in the ordinance...any state legislation should include all road users.

Charles R. Henderson
Regional Legal Senior Staff Attorney
American Family Mutual Insurance
11850 SW 67th Ave, Suite 160
Portland, Oregon 97223
503-403-1880 x 53655

From: Henderson, Charles R
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 12:06 PM
To: 'Scott Jones'; 'Steve Brown'
Cc: 'obra@list.obra.org'; 'Eric Gushurst'
Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Report Reckless Driver?

There is no specific "road rage" statute in Oregon. The city of Gresham is the only city I know of with an ordinance that addresses this type of behavior( see below)

I don't know why the State legislature never considered adopting a similar statute. I think there could be an argument that "buzzing" riders or coming close and stopping etc. is a violation of the Reckless Driving statute in that the driving "endangers the safety of persons or property". There is also ORS 163.190 Menacing: where if the driver intentionally attempts to place the person in fear of imminent serious injury, and ORS 163.195 Reckless endangering another person.

7.10.200 Aggressive Driving.

(1) A person commits the crime of aggressive driving if the person is operating a motor vehicle and intentionally harasses, annoys, or alarms another person who is inside a motor vehicle by intentionally or knowingly:

(a) increasing or decreasing the speed of his or her vehicle;

(b) changing lanes;

(c) following the vehicle containing the other person more closely than is reasonable and prudent under the totality of the circumstances;

(d) impeding or obstructing the operation of the vehicle containing the other person; or

(e) operating his or her vehicle in any manner that endangers or would be likely to endanger any person or property.

(2) Violation of any provision of this section is a Class B misdemeanor and, in addition to the remedies authorized for misdemeanors, a violation may be subject to a fine or penalty in the maximum amount of $2,500.
(Ord. No. 1700, Amended, 03/03/2011; Ord. No. 1469, Enacted, 02/02/1999)

Charles R. Henderson
Regional Legal Senior Staff Attorney
American Family Mutual Insurance
11850 SW 67th Ave, Suite 160
Portland, Oregon 97223
503-403-1880 x 53655

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Scott Jones
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:30 AM
To: Steve Brown
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Eric Gushurst
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Report Reckless Driver?

Would this not be considered a form of aggressive driving (aka-road rage)?

I see that you can report it to DMV, but I always immediately call the cops, and if necessary go and file a complaint (or have them come to me).
http://www.oregon.gov/odot/dmv/pages/driverid/reportprobdriver.aspx

Maybe one of the attorneys out there can chime in, but wouldn't ORS 811.135 (careless driving) or 811.140 (reckless driving) come into play? I wish there was some sort of wording in terms of road rage, but I cannot find any in the ORS. But I mean the whole honking, accelerating, stopping the car just up the road, and getting out aggressively means that this person is willing to engage in an altercation due to their utter stupidity and anger issues.

-Scott

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Steve Brown > wrote:
This calls for legislation to impose jail time and heavy fines for anyone stopping a motor vehicle to harass a cyclist. If someone helps me write the proposed legislation, I am willing to carry it to Salem. It may take a coordinated effort by those who have had these type of run-ins who might be able to testify if the potential legislation gets a committee hearing. A few years back I would have contacted Scott Bricker at BTA, but may also need help in that respect.

Steve Brown
503.781.3631

On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Eric Gushurst wrote:

> Any advice/suggestions on reporting an unfriendly and reckless driver?
>
> A friend and I were riding up NW Moreland Sunday (on Soldberger near Dorland intersection), when a car whipped around the corner behind us (once we heard him, we moved over), proceeded to lay on the horn for a while (as we're now single file), gunned it around us and sped away 100 yrds up the road. Then slammed on the brakes and got out of his car to confront us.
>
> He yelled at us for obstructing the road (note, he stopped his car in the middle of the road for this speech, ironically), said bikes weren't welcomed "out here", bikes actually "legally aren't allowed on these roads b/c there aren't any bike lanes " and that "someday, someone is going to run you off the road and you'll get hurt."
>
> We kept moving along and he peeled away after we passed. We have his license plate and description but not sure what's the best protocol for such an incident, noting we don't want the guy going super crazy on the next person....
>
> Thanks, and if in the neighborhood, watch out for a ~1994 black hatchback honda civic with orange disabled veteran plate (this specific plate type is technically only for motorcycles/mopeds, but hey, laws are just recommendations....right?)
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Henderson, Charles R

There is no specific "road rage" statute in Oregon. The city of Gresham is the only city I know of with an ordinance that addresses this type of behavior( see below)

I don't know why the State legislature never considered adopting a similar statute. I think there could be an argument that "buzzing" riders or coming close and stopping etc. is a violation of the Reckless Driving statute in that the driving "endangers the safety of persons or property". There is also ORS 163.190 Menacing: where if the driver intentionally attempts to place the person in fear of imminent serious injury, and ORS 163.195 Reckless endangering another person.

7.10.200 Aggressive Driving.

(1) A person commits the crime of aggressive driving if the person is operating a motor vehicle and intentionally harasses, annoys, or alarms another person who is inside a motor vehicle by intentionally or knowingly:

(a) increasing or decreasing the speed of his or her vehicle;

(b) changing lanes;

(c) following the vehicle containing the other person more closely than is reasonable and prudent under the totality of the circumstances;

(d) impeding or obstructing the operation of the vehicle containing the other person; or

(e) operating his or her vehicle in any manner that endangers or would be likely to endanger any person or property.

(2) Violation of any provision of this section is a Class B misdemeanor and, in addition to the remedies authorized for misdemeanors, a violation may be subject to a fine or penalty in the maximum amount of $2,500.
(Ord. No. 1700, Amended, 03/03/2011; Ord. No. 1469, Enacted, 02/02/1999)

Charles R. Henderson
Regional Legal Senior Staff Attorney
American Family Mutual Insurance
11850 SW 67th Ave, Suite 160
Portland, Oregon 97223
503-403-1880 x 53655

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Scott Jones
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:30 AM
To: Steve Brown
Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Eric Gushurst
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Report Reckless Driver?

Would this not be considered a form of aggressive driving (aka-road rage)?

I see that you can report it to DMV, but I always immediately call the cops, and if necessary go and file a complaint (or have them come to me).
http://www.oregon.gov/odot/dmv/pages/driverid/reportprobdriver.aspx

Maybe one of the attorneys out there can chime in, but wouldn't ORS 811.135 (careless driving) or 811.140 (reckless driving) come into play? I wish there was some sort of wording in terms of road rage, but I cannot find any in the ORS. But I mean the whole honking, accelerating, stopping the car just up the road, and getting out aggressively means that this person is willing to engage in an altercation due to their utter stupidity and anger issues.

-Scott

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Steve Brown > wrote:
This calls for legislation to impose jail time and heavy fines for anyone stopping a motor vehicle to harass a cyclist. If someone helps me write the proposed legislation, I am willing to carry it to Salem. It may take a coordinated effort by those who have had these type of run-ins who might be able to testify if the potential legislation gets a committee hearing. A few years back I would have contacted Scott Bricker at BTA, but may also need help in that respect.

Steve Brown
503.781.3631

On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Eric Gushurst wrote:

> Any advice/suggestions on reporting an unfriendly and reckless driver?
>
> A friend and I were riding up NW Moreland Sunday (on Soldberger near Dorland intersection), when a car whipped around the corner behind us (once we heard him, we moved over), proceeded to lay on the horn for a while (as we're now single file), gunned it around us and sped away 100 yrds up the road. Then slammed on the brakes and got out of his car to confront us.
>
> He yelled at us for obstructing the road (note, he stopped his car in the middle of the road for this speech, ironically), said bikes weren't welcomed "out here", bikes actually "legally aren't allowed on these roads b/c there aren't any bike lanes " and that "someday, someone is going to run you off the road and you'll get hurt."
>
> We kept moving along and he peeled away after we passed. We have his license plate and description but not sure what's the best protocol for such an incident, noting we don't want the guy going super crazy on the next person....
>
> Thanks, and if in the neighborhood, watch out for a ~1994 black hatchback honda civic with orange disabled veteran plate (this specific plate type is technically only for motorcycles/mopeds, but hey, laws are just recommendations....right?)
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Scott Jones

Would this not be considered a form of aggressive driving (aka-road rage)?

I see that you can report it to DMV, but I always immediately call the
cops, and if necessary go and file a complaint (or have them come to me).
http://www.oregon.gov/odot/dmv/pages/driverid/reportprobdriver.aspx

Maybe one of the attorneys out there can chime in, but wouldn't ORS 811.135
(careless driving) or 811.140 (reckless driving) come into play? I wish
there was some sort of wording in terms of road rage, but I cannot find any
in the ORS. But I mean the whole honking, accelerating, stopping the car
just up the road, and getting out aggressively means that this person is
willing to engage in an altercation due to their utter stupidity and anger
issues.

-Scott

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Steve Brown wrote:

> This calls for legislation to impose jail time and heavy fines for anyone
> stopping a motor vehicle to harass a cyclist. If someone helps me write
> the proposed legislation, I am willing to carry it to Salem. It may take a
> coordinated effort by those who have had these type of run-ins who might be
> able to testify if the potential legislation gets a committee hearing. A
> few years back I would have contacted Scott Bricker at BTA, but may also
> need help in that respect.
>
>
> Steve Brown
> 503.781.3631
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Eric Gushurst wrote:
>
> > Any advice/suggestions on reporting an unfriendly and reckless driver?
> >
> > A friend and I were riding up NW Moreland Sunday (on Soldberger near
> Dorland intersection), when a car whipped around the corner behind us (once
> we heard him, we moved over), proceeded to lay on the horn for a while (as
> we're now single file), gunned it around us and sped away 100 yrds up the
> road. Then slammed on the brakes and got out of his car to confront us.
> >
> > He yelled at us for obstructing the road (note, he stopped his car in
> the middle of the road for this speech, ironically), said bikes weren't
> welcomed "out here", bikes actually "legally aren't allowed on these roads
> b/c there aren't any bike lanes " and that "someday, someone is going to
> run you off the road and you'll get hurt."
> >
> > We kept moving along and he peeled away after we passed. We have his
> license plate and description but not sure what's the best protocol for
> such an incident, noting we don't want the guy going super crazy on the
> next person....
> >
> > Thanks, and if in the neighborhood, watch out for a ~1994 black
> hatchback honda civic with orange disabled veteran plate (this specific
> plate type is technically only for motorcycles/mopeds, but hey, laws are
> just recommendations....right?)
> > _______________________________________________
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Steve Brown

This calls for legislation to impose jail time and heavy fines for anyone stopping a motor vehicle to harass a cyclist. If someone helps me write the proposed legislation, I am willing to carry it to Salem. It may take a coordinated effort by those who have had these type of run-ins who might be able to testify if the potential legislation gets a committee hearing. A few years back I would have contacted Scott Bricker at BTA, but may also need help in that respect.

Steve Brown
503.781.3631

On Feb 7, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Eric Gushurst wrote:

> Any advice/suggestions on reporting an unfriendly and reckless driver?
>
> A friend and I were riding up NW Moreland Sunday (on Soldberger near Dorland intersection), when a car whipped around the corner behind us (once we heard him, we moved over), proceeded to lay on the horn for a while (as we're now single file), gunned it around us and sped away 100 yrds up the road. Then slammed on the brakes and got out of his car to confront us.
>
> He yelled at us for obstructing the road (note, he stopped his car in the middle of the road for this speech, ironically), said bikes weren't welcomed "out here", bikes actually "legally aren't allowed on these roads b/c there aren't any bike lanes " and that "someday, someone is going to run you off the road and you'll get hurt."
>
> We kept moving along and he peeled away after we passed. We have his license plate and description but not sure what's the best protocol for such an incident, noting we don't want the guy going super crazy on the next person....
>
> Thanks, and if in the neighborhood, watch out for a ~1994 black hatchback honda civic with orange disabled veteran plate (this specific plate type is technically only for motorcycles/mopeds, but hey, laws are just recommendations....right?)
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peter staiger

Eric glad to you were successful.

Best regards,

Peter

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On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Eric Gushurst wrote:

> Thank you all for the insights. I had called North Plains police on
> Monday, they gave me a number to unofficially report him, however I've
> been unsuccessful reaching anyone, just rings. They said the person
> would receive a notice that they were "reported" driving/acting
> recklessly, etc.
>
> However with your help, I reached Wash Co, talked to a deputy and a
> complaint is on file.
>
> For reference, non-emergency dispatch:
> Washington County Dispatch 503-629-0111
> Multnomah County Dispatch 503-823-3333
>
> Appreciate the help and insights!
> Ride safe, cheers, Eric
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Mark J. Ginsberg
> wrote:
> > 1st always keep your selves safe.
> > 2nd, from the scene you can call 911
> > from home later you can call police non- emergency.
> >
> >
> > if you call 911, (if true) tell them description of car, driver, etc and
> how
> > he's threatening you (it is a recorded line)
> > if you call non-emergency later, tell them same (it's the same line, just
> > answered slower) and they might send an officer to you to take a report,
> but
> > by then, they may view it as water under the bridge b/c you didn't get
> hurt,
> > you just got yelled at by a jerk who doesn't know the law.
> >
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> > Mark J. Ginsberg
> > Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
> > Attorneys At Law
> > 1216 SE Belmont St.
> > Portland, OR 97214
> > (503) 542-3000
> > Fax (503) 233-6874
> > markjginsberg@yahoo.com
> > mark@berkshireginsberglaw.com
> > www.berkshireginsberglaw.com
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Eric Gushurst
> > To: obra@list.obra.org
> > Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 8:58 AM
> >
> > Subject: [OBRA Chat] Report Reckless Driver?
> >
> > Any advice/suggestions on reporting an unfriendly and reckless driver?
> >
> > A friend and I were riding up NW Moreland Sunday (on Soldberger near
> Dorland
> > intersection), when a car whipped around the corner behind us (once we
> heard
> > him, we moved over), proceeded to lay on the horn for a while (as we're
> now
> > single file), gunned it around us and sped away 100 yrds up the road.
> Then
> > slammed on the brakes and got out of his car to confront us.
> >
> > He yelled at us for obstructing the road (note, he stopped his car in the
> > middle of the road for this speech, ironically), said bikes weren't
> welcomed
> > "out here", bikes actually "legally aren't allowed on these roads b/c
> there
> > aren't any bike lanes " and that "someday, someone is going to run you
> off
> > the road and you'll get hurt."
> >
> > We kept moving along and he peeled away after we passed. We have his
> > license plate and description but not sure what's the best protocol for
> such
> > an incident, noting we don't want the guy going super crazy on the next
> > person....
> >
> > Thanks, and if in the neighborhood, watch out for a ~1994 black hatchback
> > honda civic with orange disabled veteran plate (this specific plate type
> is
> > technically only for motorcycles/mopeds, but hey, laws are just
> > recommendations....right?)
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Eric Gushurst

Thank you all for the insights. I had called North Plains police on
Monday, they gave me a number to unofficially report him, however I've
been unsuccessful reaching anyone, just rings. They said the person
would receive a notice that they were "reported" driving/acting
recklessly, etc.

However with your help, I reached Wash Co, talked to a deputy and a
complaint is on file.

For reference, non-emergency dispatch:
Washington County Dispatch 503-629-0111
Multnomah County Dispatch 503-823-3333

Appreciate the help and insights!
Ride safe, cheers, Eric

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Mark J. Ginsberg
wrote:
> 1st always keep your selves safe.
> 2nd, from the scene you can call 911
> from home later you can call police non- emergency.
>
>
> if you call 911, (if true) tell them description of car, driver, etc and how
> he's threatening you (it is a recorded line)
> if you call non-emergency later, tell them same (it's the same line, just
> answered slower) and they might send an officer to you to take a report, but
> by then, they may view it as water under the bridge b/c you didn't get hurt,
> you just got yelled at by a jerk who doesn't know the law.
>
>
> M
>
>
> Mark J. Ginsberg
> Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
> Attorneys At Law
> 1216 SE Belmont St.
> Portland, OR 97214
> (503) 542-3000
> Fax (503) 233-6874
> markjginsberg@yahoo.com
> mark@berkshireginsberglaw.com
> www.berkshireginsberglaw.com
>
> ________________________________
> From: Eric Gushurst
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 8:58 AM
>
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Report Reckless Driver?
>
> Any advice/suggestions on reporting an unfriendly and reckless driver?
>
> A friend and I were riding up NW Moreland Sunday (on Soldberger near Dorland
> intersection), when a car whipped around the corner behind us (once we heard
> him, we moved over), proceeded to lay on the horn for a while (as we're now
> single file), gunned it around us and sped away 100 yrds up the road. Then
> slammed on the brakes and got out of his car to confront us.
>
> He yelled at us for obstructing the road (note, he stopped his car in the
> middle of the road for this speech, ironically), said bikes weren't welcomed
> "out here", bikes actually "legally aren't allowed on these roads b/c there
> aren't any bike lanes " and that "someday, someone is going to run you off
> the road and you'll get hurt."
>
> We kept moving along and he peeled away after we passed. We have his
> license plate and description but not sure what's the best protocol for such
> an incident, noting we don't want the guy going super crazy on the next
> person....
>
> Thanks, and if in the neighborhood, watch out for a ~1994 black hatchback
> honda civic with orange disabled veteran plate (this specific plate type is
> technically only for motorcycles/mopeds, but hey, laws are just
> recommendations....right?)
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>

Mark J. Ginsberg

1st always keep your selves safe.
2nd, from the scene you can call 911
from home later you can call police non- emergency.

if you call 911, (if true) tell them description of car, driver, etc and how he's threatening you (it is a recorded line)
if you call non-emergency later, tell them same (it's the same line, just answered slower) and they might send an officer to you to take a report, but by then, they may view it as water under the bridge b/c you didn't get hurt, you just got yelled at by a jerk who doesn't know the law.

M

 
Mark J. Ginsberg
Berkshire Ginsberg, LLC
Attorneys At Law
1216 SE Belmont St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 542-3000
Fax (503) 233-6874
markjginsberg@yahoo.com
mark@berkshireginsberglaw.com
www.berkshireginsberglaw.com

________________________________
From: Eric Gushurst
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 8:58 AM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Report Reckless Driver?

Any advice/suggestions on reporting an unfriendly and reckless driver?

A friend and I were riding up NW Moreland Sunday (on Soldberger near Dorland intersection), when a car whipped around the corner behind us (once we heard him, we moved over), proceeded to lay on the horn for a while (as we're now single file), gunned it around us and sped away 100 yrds up the road.  Then slammed on the brakes and got out of his car to confront us.

He yelled at us for obstructing the road (note, he stopped his car in the middle of the road for this speech, ironically), said bikes weren't welcomed "out here", bikes actually "legally aren't allowed on these roads b/c there aren't any bike lanes " and that "someday, someone is going to run you off the road and you'll get hurt."

We kept moving along and he peeled away after we passed.  We have his license plate and description but not sure what's the best protocol for such an incident, noting we don't want the guy going super crazy on the next person....

Thanks, and if in the neighborhood, watch out for a ~1994 black hatchback honda civic with orange disabled veteran plate (this specific plate type is technically only for motorcycles/mopeds, but hey, laws are just recommendations....right?)
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Rick Johnson

The best course of action is to report it. Take a picture of the
vehicle, license and driver if possible.
Too often this type of behavior escalates and the only way to stop it
before someone gets hurt is if it is reported.

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

Political Parallelism, part 1

Most criminals are aided by the use of a motor vehicle. Therefore I propose we limit the size of all fuel tanks to a maximum of 5 gallons.
It's a "common sense regulation" that will impede unlawful use of motor vehicles while not infringing on the right of people to travel.

On 2/7/2013 8:58 AM, Eric Gushurst wrote:
> Any advice/suggestions on reporting an unfriendly and reckless driver?
>
> A friend and I were riding up NW Moreland Sunday (on Soldberger near Dorland intersection), when a car whipped around the corner behind us (once we heard him, we moved over), proceeded to lay on the horn for a while (as we're now single file), gunned it around us and sped away 100 yrds up the road. Then slammed on the brakes and got out of his car to confront us.
>
> He yelled at us for obstructing the road (note, he stopped his car in the middle of the road for this speech, ironically), said bikes weren't welcomed "out here", bikes actually "legally aren't allowed on these roads b/c there aren't any bike lanes " and that "someday, someone is going to run you off the road and you'll get hurt."
>
> We kept moving along and he peeled away after we passed. We have his license plate and description but not sure what's the best protocol for such an incident, noting we don't want the guy going super crazy on the next person....
>
> Thanks, and if in the neighborhood, watch out for a ~1994 black hatchback honda civic with orange disabled veteran plate (this specific plate type is technically only for motorcycles/mopeds, but hey, laws are just recommendations....right?)
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Scott Davison

Calling the police is a great idea. Luckily you were with more people than
yourself (witnesses) so have their info handy as well.

Glad you're ok!

Scott Davison

On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:02 AM, peter staiger
wrote:

Call the police and talk to them.

Best regards,

Peter

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Alta Enterprises, Inc.
1910 Bustle Creek Road
Alta, WY 83414

800.624.1235 Office
541.231.1238 Cell
541.230.1291 Fax
pstaiger@altaenterprises.com
www.altaenterprises.com

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Eric Gushurst wrote:

> Any advice/suggestions on reporting an unfriendly and reckless driver?
>
> A friend and I were riding up NW Moreland Sunday (on Soldberger near
> Dorland intersection), when a car whipped around the corner behind us (once
> we heard him, we moved over), proceeded to lay on the horn for a while (as
> we're now single file), gunned it around us and sped away 100 yrds up the
> road. Then slammed on the brakes and got out of his car to confront us.
>
> He yelled at us for obstructing the road (note, he stopped his car in the
> middle of the road for this speech, ironically), said bikes weren't
> welcomed "out here", bikes actually "legally aren't allowed on these roads
> b/c there aren't any bike lanes " and that "someday, someone is going to
> run you off the road and you'll get hurt."
>
> We kept moving along and he peeled away after we passed. We have his
> license plate and description but not sure what's the best protocol for
> such an incident, noting we don't want the guy going super crazy on the
> next person....
>
> Thanks, and if in the neighborhood, watch out for a ~1994 black hatchback
> honda civic with orange disabled veteran plate (this specific plate type is
> technically only for motorcycles/mopeds, but hey, laws are just
> recommendations....right?)
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

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peter staiger

Call the police and talk to them.

Best regards,

Peter

--
Peter Staiger

Alta Enterprises, Inc.
1910 Bustle Creek Road
Alta, WY 83414

800.624.1235 Office
541.231.1238 Cell
541.230.1291 Fax
pstaiger@altaenterprises.com
www.altaenterprises.com

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Eric Gushurst wrote:

> Any advice/suggestions on reporting an unfriendly and reckless driver?
>
> A friend and I were riding up NW Moreland Sunday (on Soldberger near
> Dorland intersection), when a car whipped around the corner behind us (once
> we heard him, we moved over), proceeded to lay on the horn for a while (as
> we're now single file), gunned it around us and sped away 100 yrds up the
> road. Then slammed on the brakes and got out of his car to confront us.
>
> He yelled at us for obstructing the road (note, he stopped his car in the
> middle of the road for this speech, ironically), said bikes weren't
> welcomed "out here", bikes actually "legally aren't allowed on these roads
> b/c there aren't any bike lanes " and that "someday, someone is going to
> run you off the road and you'll get hurt."
>
> We kept moving along and he peeled away after we passed. We have his
> license plate and description but not sure what's the best protocol for
> such an incident, noting we don't want the guy going super crazy on the
> next person....
>
> Thanks, and if in the neighborhood, watch out for a ~1994 black hatchback
> honda civic with orange disabled veteran plate (this specific plate type is
> technically only for motorcycles/mopeds, but hey, laws are just
> recommendations....right?)
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

Eric Gushurst

Any advice/suggestions on reporting an unfriendly and reckless driver?

A friend and I were riding up NW Moreland Sunday (on Soldberger near Dorland intersection), when a car whipped around the corner behind us (once we heard him, we moved over), proceeded to lay on the horn for a while (as we're now single file), gunned it around us and sped away 100 yrds up the road. Then slammed on the brakes and got out of his car to confront us.

He yelled at us for obstructing the road (note, he stopped his car in the middle of the road for this speech, ironically), said bikes weren't welcomed "out here", bikes actually "legally aren't allowed on these roads b/c there aren't any bike lanes " and that "someday, someone is going to run you off the road and you'll get hurt."

We kept moving along and he peeled away after we passed. We have his license plate and description but not sure what's the best protocol for such an incident, noting we don't want the guy going super crazy on the next person....

Thanks, and if in the neighborhood, watch out for a ~1994 black hatchback honda civic with orange disabled veteran plate (this specific plate type is technically only for motorcycles/mopeds, but hey, laws are just recommendations....right?)