Jack Frost - first TT - questions

Scott Kocher

2013-02-16

Ditto what Erik V said.

Time trials like Jack Frost are perfect for beginners. You start one at a time, so the risk of crashing, or messing up other riders, is very low. And, because you're really racing yourself, equipment doesn't matter. Ride a mountain bike. Ride anything. You'll see all sorts of folks out there. It's about getting out the door and doing what you want to do. For most people that means focusing and riding harder than usual... or as hard as you can. If you like climbing, look for the uphill time trials on the calendar, too.

If you do want to try out aero bars (and lose out on being able to ride the Eddy category), you're welcome to borrow my Profile clip-ons. I also have a forward-extending 27.2 seatpost. With those two things you can replicate a TT bike position on a road or cross bike (or even some MTBs).

IF you can make clip-ons reasonably comfortable you'll likely find they're a bunch faster. For most people that takes some miles getting used to them. First time with clip-ons I rode a half-hour Sauvie Island lap 2 minutes faster than with drops. On my TT bike a Sauvie lap is probably less than 30 seconds faster than my road bike with clip-ons. For clip-ons start with: not too low, not too far forward but not hitting your knees when you stand, flat forearms or angle the up/down just enough so you're not tending to slide forward or backward on the armrests when relaxed and riding at speed (can't get that part right on a trainer). You might need a different seat or seat angle. Lots of fit-related ideas out there about hip angle, seat height, etc. Web sites, local fit gurus, etc. For sure don't jump right in and spend a lot of time in an aggressive TT position.

If you ride Eddy (non-aero category) this power calculator web site page gives a rough way to compare your time to aero riders if you're interested in such things:
http://bikecalculator.com/

Cheers,
Scott

Subject
Re: Jack Frost - first TT - questions

Date
02/15/2013 12:03 PM

From
Erik Voldengen

Hi Zach, I am the co-promoter for Jack Frost TT.

Yes, it's great for beginners!

You don't need to use any aero equipment at all. In fact, if you throw on
some aero bars at the last minute, it will probably hurt your legs because
they aren't used to riding in that position. Just come as is. There's
even a special "Eddy" category for people without aero equipment if you
want to do that.

Nobody will laugh at you. I don't ride it with aero bars, either.
However, you might laugh at some of the TT kits out there.

Nobody will get pissy if they pass you. People LOVE passing. It makes
them feel awesome. Just don't weave back and forth, but you should never
do that anyway.

Get numbers via OBRA.org, or you can show up at checkin before 8am and 9am
and get a temporary day of race number. You need an OBRA license, so you
can buy an annual membership on site in the morning, or a one day license.
Note you can only do this between 8 and 9. This is why EVERYONE should
have their OBRA membership status squared away before race day, so they can
sleep in longer!

Hope to see you there. Email me with any questions.

-Erik Voldengen

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Zach Goude wrote:

> I'm a newbie wanting to get into some road action, raced a couple seasons
> of beginner 'cross. I thought I'd give Jack Frost a try, but have some
> questions (and totally missed Wenzel TT clinic and the UEF clinic last
> week!)
>
> Is Jack Frost a good go for beginners?
>
> All I have is my 'cross bike, should I get aerobars or something?
>
> Without some TT style, will I get laughed at and tomatoes thrown at me?
>
> Are people going to get all pissy having to pass the slow guy with his
> head up?
>
> Where can I get some numbers?
>
> Thanks for time and patience with such banality, you guys are all awesome
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
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>


Erik Voldengen

2013-02-15

Hi Zach, I am the co-promoter for Jack Frost TT.

Yes, it's great for beginners!

You don't need to use any aero equipment at all. In fact, if you throw on
some aero bars at the last minute, it will probably hurt your legs because
they aren't used to riding in that position. Just come as is. There's
even a special "Eddy" category for people without aero equipment if you
want to do that.

Nobody will laugh at you. I don't ride it with aero bars, either.
However, you might laugh at some of the TT kits out there.

Nobody will get pissy if they pass you. People LOVE passing. It makes
them feel awesome. Just don't weave back and forth, but you should never
do that anyway.

Get numbers via OBRA.org, or you can show up at checkin before 8am and 9am
and get a temporary day of race number. You need an OBRA license, so you
can buy an annual membership on site in the morning, or a one day license.
Note you can only do this between 8 and 9. This is why EVERYONE should
have their OBRA membership status squared away before race day, so they can
sleep in longer!

Hope to see you there. Email me with any questions.

-Erik Voldengen

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Zach Goude wrote:

> I'm a newbie wanting to get into some road action, raced a couple seasons
> of beginner 'cross. I thought I'd give Jack Frost a try, but have some
> questions (and totally missed Wenzel TT clinic and the UEF clinic last
> week!)
>
> Is Jack Frost a good go for beginners?
>
> All I have is my 'cross bike, should I get aerobars or something?
>
> Without some TT style, will I get laughed at and tomatoes thrown at me?
>
> Are people going to get all pissy having to pass the slow guy with his
> head up?
>
> Where can I get some numbers?
>
> Thanks for time and patience with such banality, you guys are all awesome
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>


Stewart Campbell

2013-02-15

Good questions, let me try to answer the best I can while I am getting my tomatoes ready :)

Other than the cold, Jack Frost is a great beginner friendly TT race.  PIR is a good beginner TT race too.

There are many that race in every category on road and cx bikes, generally the 4/5's.  However there is the Eddy Cat which is just for road set up's meaning no aero equipment like skin suits, aero bars, etc.  Like Adam said look at the TT cup rules, there is a link on the main  page of the OBRA site.

For numbers, like Kenji said and Cheryl said, get your OBRA annual membership and pre-register for the event.  If your numbers don't come to you in time, they should have a temp number at check in.

Once you get more serious, you might want to add on aero bars, then wheel covers, then an aero helmet, then a skin suit, then a whole new TT bike, and then your hooked...just in reverse like I got hooked on CX this past season.

I'd recommend the Eddy class.

The course is easy...A swooping right turn 400m out, then a sharp right turn 1/2 mile, then flat and straight to the turn around...a cone in the middle of the road, that you just go around, then back to the sharp Left turn and then give it all you have left 'cus the finish line is only about 1/4 mi up the straight away.

The night before the race the prompter should post the start times.  Show up early enough to get you temp number, double check your start time, warm up, and get to the start area no less than 5 min before your start time!!!!

Good luck.  And TT races are not as exciting as a cx race but we are just as friendly!!!

-Stewart
TT Cup Committee 

________________________________
From: Zach Goude
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:01 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Jack Frost - first TT - questions

I'm a newbie wanting to get into some road action, raced a couple seasons of beginner 'cross. I thought I'd give Jack Frost a try, but have some questions (and totally missed Wenzel TT clinic and  the UEF clinic last week!)

Is Jack Frost a good go for beginners?

All I have is my 'cross bike, should I get aerobars or something?

Without some TT style, will I get laughed at and tomatoes thrown at me?

Are people going to get all pissy having to pass the slow guy with his head up?

Where can I get some numbers?

Thanks for time and patience with such banality,  you guys are all awesome
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T. Kenji Sugahara

2013-02-15

For your last question- buy your OBRA membership and we send some
numbers to you!

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Zach Goude wrote:
> I'm a newbie wanting to get into some road action, raced a couple seasons of beginner 'cross. I thought I'd give Jack Frost a try, but have some questions (and totally missed Wenzel TT clinic and the UEF clinic last week!)
>
> Is Jack Frost a good go for beginners?
>
> All I have is my 'cross bike, should I get aerobars or something?
>
> Without some TT style, will I get laughed at and tomatoes thrown at me?
>
> Are people going to get all pissy having to pass the slow guy with his head up?
>
> Where can I get some numbers?
>
> Thanks for time and patience with such banality, you guys are all awesome
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>

--
Kenji Sugahara
Executive Director
Oregon Bicycle Racing Association
Phone: 503-278-5550
http://www.obra.org


Adam Kennedy

2013-02-15

With your 'cross set up, you could totally win the Eddy category. Just put road tires on you Ccx bike.

Check the obra TT cup rules regarding the eddy category and race it all season long!

Hope to see you out there,
Adam K.

Sent from my mobile device.

On Feb 14, 2013, at 9:25 PM, "Jon Ragsdale" wrote:

> 1. Great course for beginners. My 13 and 15 year old daughters will be
> doing it.
>
> 2. You don't have to. A lot of people race it on their road bikes
>
> 3. No, no laughing or food being thrown. This isn't cross racing. LOL
>
> 4. If they get pissy, that's their problem.
>
> 5. Not sure if there will be license and numbers onsite. That's a question
> for the promoter. erik@bbcbike.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Zach Goude
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:02 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Jack Frost - first TT - questions
>
> I'm a newbie wanting to get into some road action, raced a couple seasons of
> beginner 'cross. I thought I'd give Jack Frost a try, but have some
> questions (and totally missed Wenzel TT clinic and the UEF clinic last
> week!)
>
> Is Jack Frost a good go for beginners?
>
> All I have is my 'cross bike, should I get aerobars or something?
>
> Without some TT style, will I get laughed at and tomatoes thrown at me?
>
> Are people going to get all pissy having to pass the slow guy with his head
> up?
>
> Where can I get some numbers?
>
> Thanks for time and patience with such banality, you guys are all awesome
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
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Cheryl Willson

2013-02-15

Pre-registration only!

On Feb 14, 2013, at 9:25 PM, Jon Ragsdale wrote:

> 1. Great course for beginners. My 13 and 15 year old daughters will be
> doing it.
>
> 2. You don't have to. A lot of people race it on their road bikes
>
> 3. No, no laughing or food being thrown. This isn't cross racing. LOL
>
> 4. If they get pissy, that's their problem.
>
> 5. Not sure if there will be license and numbers onsite. That's a question
> for the promoter. erik@bbcbike.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Zach Goude
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:02 PM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Jack Frost - first TT - questions
>
> I'm a newbie wanting to get into some road action, raced a couple seasons of
> beginner 'cross. I thought I'd give Jack Frost a try, but have some
> questions (and totally missed Wenzel TT clinic and the UEF clinic last
> week!)
>
> Is Jack Frost a good go for beginners?
>
> All I have is my 'cross bike, should I get aerobars or something?
>
> Without some TT style, will I get laughed at and tomatoes thrown at me?
>
> Are people going to get all pissy having to pass the slow guy with his head
> up?
>
> Where can I get some numbers?
>
> Thanks for time and patience with such banality, you guys are all awesome
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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Jon Ragsdale

2013-02-15

1. Great course for beginners. My 13 and 15 year old daughters will be
doing it.

2. You don't have to. A lot of people race it on their road bikes

3. No, no laughing or food being thrown. This isn't cross racing. LOL

4. If they get pissy, that's their problem.

5. Not sure if there will be license and numbers onsite. That's a question
for the promoter. erik@bbcbike.com

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Zach Goude
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:02 PM
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Jack Frost - first TT - questions

I'm a newbie wanting to get into some road action, raced a couple seasons of
beginner 'cross. I thought I'd give Jack Frost a try, but have some
questions (and totally missed Wenzel TT clinic and the UEF clinic last
week!)

Is Jack Frost a good go for beginners?

All I have is my 'cross bike, should I get aerobars or something?

Without some TT style, will I get laughed at and tomatoes thrown at me?

Are people going to get all pissy having to pass the slow guy with his head
up?

Where can I get some numbers?

Thanks for time and patience with such banality, you guys are all awesome
_______________________________________________
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Zach Goude

2013-02-15

I'm a newbie wanting to get into some road action, raced a couple seasons of beginner 'cross. I thought I'd give Jack Frost a try, but have some questions (and totally missed Wenzel TT clinic and the UEF clinic last week!)

Is Jack Frost a good go for beginners?

All I have is my 'cross bike, should I get aerobars or something?

Without some TT style, will I get laughed at and tomatoes thrown at me?

Are people going to get all pissy having to pass the slow guy with his head up?

Where can I get some numbers?

Thanks for time and patience with such banality, you guys are all awesome