Rick Johnson

On 3/15/2013 3:19 PM, Brendon Gallant wrote:
> ...wheelies are slow and only look cool after you've won.

True that.

And speaking of which - who could forget the famous Biaggi victory
wheelie from the 1998 WSBK round at Bruno?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=749fjyxv3ac

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

Every revolutionary idea seems to evoke three stages of reaction...
One, it's completely impossible.
Two, it's possible, but it's not worth doing.
Three, I said it was a good idea all along.

Arthur C. Clarke

Brendon Gallant

Just because the saddle is jacket up and bars dropped to the head tube
doesn't mean that one can't "reposition" on a "proper" fitting road bike.

It's most certainly possible, just takes balance and weight transfer. And
brakes. And front wheel traction.

Last time I checked you wheelie after winning a race, not during. That's
why all WSBK, AMA, and MotoGP bikes have things called "wheelie control"
wheelies are slow and only look cool after you've won.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Wood, Nicholas C wrote:

> Contrary to what some have posted, it's not going to be feasible on a
> 'proper' fitting road bike. That vid of Martyn, he's riding a road bike
> with a short stem, low seat and smallish bike. With a regular road bike
> your weight is much too far forward.
>
> Work on your wheelies, those are way cooler and actually useful to a
> certain extent.
>
> Nick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Arlo
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 8:17 AM
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Learning Stoppie aka Nose Wheelie ?
>
> apparently everyone and their mom with a 400 pound sportbike can do this
> visually impressive trick when rolling up to a group ride, but I'm having a
> hard time learning this on a 20 pound roadbike. Is a sustained stoppie
> harder on a bicycle due to the lower mass, weaker brakes, or do I just need
> to "commit" more in terms of speed and braking?
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Wood, Nicholas C

Contrary to what some have posted, it's not going to be feasible on a 'proper' fitting road bike. That vid of Martyn, he's riding a road bike with a short stem, low seat and smallish bike. With a regular road bike your weight is much too far forward.

Work on your wheelies, those are way cooler and actually useful to a certain extent.

Nick

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apparently everyone and their mom with a 400 pound sportbike can do this visually impressive trick when rolling up to a group ride, but I'm having a hard time learning this on a 20 pound roadbike. Is a sustained stoppie harder on a bicycle due to the lower mass, weaker brakes, or do I just need to "commit" more in terms of speed and braking?
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EAL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsOtY25Gcs0

Definitely skills, not physics.  I'd say it;'s probably not possible on a brakeless fixie, but if someone has has thought of it, someone has probably done it.

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From: Justin Serna
To: Kevin ; Arlo ; "obra@list.obra.org"
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Learning Stoppie aka Nose Wheelie ?

It's simple some people have natural skilz, some people take the risk and learn and some people will just never get it!
Suggestion if you must learn this skill, flat pedals and grass will help with your confidence and cause much less damage to your bike and body.
Good Luck and have FUN!

BTW Kevin, front wheel skidz RULE!

 
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Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Learning Stoppie aka Nose Wheelie ?

Physics..........   23mm tires do not likely have enough grip on the asphalt to provide the force necessary to lift the back wheel (and rider) up before skidding.  Skidding front wheels are bad, be they on a 400lb sport bike, or a 13 lb carbon wonder bike.

 
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>
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Brendon Gallant

stay clipped in and pull up on the pedals. there's a balance point just
like doing a wheelie. find and love that balance point and you'll be aces.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:00 PM, john wrote:

> Well at least you said likely :) But no, 23 mm tires have just as much
> grip as anything else.
> I do the "polish" wheelie from time to time. and no, sliding tires is not
> required nor desireable. really its all about where you put your CG, and
> yes if its way forward, and your brakes grab hard, you'll flip.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Kevin wrote:
>
>> Physics.......... 23mm tires do not likely have enough grip on the
>> asphalt to provide the force necessary to lift the back wheel (and rider)
>> up before skidding. Skidding front wheels are bad, be they on a 400lb
>> sport bike, or a 13 lb carbon wonder bike.
>>
>>
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> What is happening in Kevin's corner of the bike world?
>> http://the-whir-of-spokes-in-air.blogspot.com
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Arlo
>> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 15, 2013 8:17 AM
>> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Learning Stoppie aka Nose Wheelie ?
>>
>> apparently everyone and their mom with a 400 pound sportbike can do
>> this visually impressive trick when rolling up to a group ride, but I'm
>> having a hard time learning this on a 20 pound roadbike. Is a sustained
>> stoppie harder on a bicycle due to the lower mass, weaker brakes, or do I
>> just need to "commit" more in terms of speed and braking?
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john

Well at least you said likely :) But no, 23 mm tires have just as much
grip as anything else.
I do the "polish" wheelie from time to time. and no, sliding tires is not
required nor desireable. really its all about where you put your CG, and
yes if its way forward, and your brakes grab hard, you'll flip.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Kevin wrote:

> Physics.......... 23mm tires do not likely have enough grip on the
> asphalt to provide the force necessary to lift the back wheel (and rider)
> up before skidding. Skidding front wheels are bad, be they on a 400lb
> sport bike, or a 13 lb carbon wonder bike.
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> What is happening in Kevin's corner of the bike world?
> http://the-whir-of-spokes-in-air.blogspot.com
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Arlo
> *To:* obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent:* Friday, March 15, 2013 8:17 AM
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Learning Stoppie aka Nose Wheelie ?
>
> apparently everyone and their mom with a 400 pound sportbike can do this
> visually impressive trick when rolling up to a group ride, but I'm having a
> hard time learning this on a 20 pound roadbike. Is a sustained stoppie
> harder on a bicycle due to the lower mass, weaker brakes, or do I just need
> to "commit" more in terms of speed and braking?
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Andrew Kreps

Having done both, I find it a little easier on a bicycle. If you get bent
out of shape, it's a lot easier to recover on the motorless wonder. That
said it's less about braking and more about body positioning. Go watch
some slow-mo youtubes. And get it right before you add speed, you don't
need to be going all that fast.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Arlo wrote:

> apparently everyone and their mom with a 400 pound sportbike can do this
> visually impressive trick when rolling up to a group ride, but I'm having a
> hard time learning this on a 20 pound roadbike. Is a sustained stoppie
> harder on a bicycle due to the lower mass, weaker brakes, or do I just need
> to "commit" more in terms of speed and braking?
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Justin Serna

It's simple some people have natural skilz, some people take the risk and learn and some people will just never get it!
Suggestion if you must learn this skill, flat pedals and grass will help with your confidence and cause much less damage to your bike and body.
Good Luck and have FUN!

BTW Kevin, front wheel skidz RULE!

 
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Oregon Enduro Series
Sales & Marketing Mgr.
Bend, Oregon
Cell. 503.209.7565
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Oregon-Enduro-Series/238958599571397
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From: Kevin
To: Arlo ; "obra@list.obra.org"
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Learning Stoppie aka Nose Wheelie ?

Physics..........   23mm tires do not likely have enough grip on the asphalt to provide the force necessary to lift the back wheel (and rider) up before skidding.  Skidding front wheels are bad, be they on a 400lb sport bike, or a 13 lb carbon wonder bike.

 
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>________________________________
> From: Arlo
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 8:17 AM
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Learning Stoppie aka Nose Wheelie ?
>
>apparently everyone and their mom with a 400 pound sportbike can do this visually impressive trick when rolling up to a group ride, but I'm having a hard time learning this on a 20 pound roadbike.  Is a sustained stoppie harder on a bicycle due to the lower mass, weaker brakes, or do I just need to "commit" more in terms of speed and braking? 
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joec@aracnet.com

Was able to perform one once, and that was MORE than enough. Simply
to prevent my a$$ from becoming a hood ornament to a Mercedes of a
driver who decided the rules of the road didnt apply to them.

-J

On 2013-03-15 08:35, Rick Johnson wrote:
> Yes, stoppies are much more difficult on a bicycle. Factors that help
> on a motorcycle are longer wheel base, slacker head angle on stout
> suspension forks, brakes with exceptionally refined modulation in
> addition to their awesome power and large tire footprints (not
> inflated to excessively high pressures either).
> Being dressed up in leather and body armor helps too.
>
> Stoppies on a road bicycle are impressive to me because they are so
> difficult. But I have zero interest in attempting one myself.
>
> Rick Johnson
> Bend Oregon
>
> * * *
>
> Political Parallelism, part 2
>
> Some say "The 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets since the
> founders could never appreciate the danger of modern firearms".
> The 1st Amendment was written with quill pens and at the time
> printing was done on mechanical print presses.
> Therefore by the same logic it's obvious the founders never intended
> to protect the rights of people to communicate using digital media,
> the internet, TV, recorded sound, photography or movies.
>
> On 3/15/2013 8:17 AM, Arlo wrote:
>> apparently everyone and their mom with a 400 pound sportbike can do
>> this visually impressive trick when rolling up to a group ride, but
>> I'm having a hard time learning this on a 20 pound roadbike. Is a
>> sustained stoppie harder on a bicycle due to the lower mass, weaker
>> brakes, or do I just need to "commit" more in terms of speed and
>> braking?
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Rick Johnson

Yes, stoppies are much more difficult on a bicycle. Factors that help on
a motorcycle are longer wheel base, slacker head angle on stout
suspension forks, brakes with exceptionally refined modulation in
addition to their awesome power and large tire footprints (not inflated
to excessively high pressures either).
Being dressed up in leather and body armor helps too.

Stoppies on a road bicycle are impressive to me because they are so
difficult. But I have zero interest in attempting one myself.

Rick Johnson
Bend Oregon

* * *

Political Parallelism, part 2

Some say "The 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets since the founders could never appreciate the danger of modern firearms".

The 1st Amendment was written with quill pens and at the time printing was done on mechanical print presses.
Therefore by the same logic it's obvious the founders never intended to protect the rights of people to communicate using digital media, the internet, TV, recorded sound, photography or movies.

On 3/15/2013 8:17 AM, Arlo wrote:
> apparently everyone and their mom with a 400 pound sportbike can do this visually impressive trick when rolling up to a group ride, but I'm having a hard time learning this on a 20 pound roadbike. Is a sustained stoppie harder on a bicycle due to the lower mass, weaker brakes, or do I just need to "commit" more in terms of speed and braking?
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Kevin

Physics..........   23mm tires do not likely have enough grip on the asphalt to provide the force necessary to lift the back wheel (and rider) up before skidding.  Skidding front wheels are bad, be they on a 400lb sport bike, or a 13 lb carbon wonder bike.

 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>________________________________
> From: Arlo
>To: obra@list.obra.org
>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 8:17 AM
>Subject: [OBRA Chat] Learning Stoppie aka Nose Wheelie ?
>
>apparently everyone and their mom with a 400 pound sportbike can do this visually impressive trick when rolling up to a group ride, but I'm having a hard time learning this on a 20 pound roadbike.  Is a sustained stoppie harder on a bicycle due to the lower mass, weaker brakes, or do I just need to "commit" more in terms of speed and braking? 
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Justin Serna

COMMIT!

 
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Learning Stoppie aka Nose Wheelie ?

apparently everyone and their mom with a 400 pound sportbike can do this visually impressive trick when rolling up to a group ride, but I'm having a hard time learning this on a 20 pound roadbike.  Is a sustained stoppie harder on a bicycle due to the lower mass, weaker brakes, or do I just need to "commit" more in terms of speed and braking? 
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Arlo

apparently everyone and their mom with a 400 pound sportbike can do this visually impressive trick when rolling up to a group ride, but I'm having a hard time learning this on a 20 pound roadbike. Is a sustained stoppie harder on a bicycle due to the lower mass, weaker brakes, or do I just need to "commit" more in terms of speed and braking?