Raven TT- Warming down on the course?

Sarah Tisdale

2013-03-26

A bunch of cones does not really help here. Riders wear their
jackets/hats/... to the start line and take them off 3 minutes before they
start, tossing them next to the start line. After their race, they go back
to pick up their clothes, adding congestion to the start area.

This isn't so much of a problem except that the start area is also the
finish area with riders flying through at high speed.

Just separate the start and finish line. 200m should be plenty. Problem
solved!

On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 10:51 AM, wrote:

> **
>
> You should never EVER cool-down/warm-up on a course while an event is
> taking place!
>
> For crying out loud people. There are several miles of open road, far
> enough away from the
>
> Finish line, yet close enough to the staging area that you can find your
> way back home. This
>
> is a safety issue. It also helps to prevent confusion as to who is racing
> and who is just
>
> 'cooling down'. This is one of those 'common-sense' issues that shouldn't
> have been brought up
>
> in the first place.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> On 2013-03-26 10:27, Kitt Pratt wrote:
>
> What about setting up a row 3-4 cones across the road 100 or so meters
> back from the start finish area. The only people allowed in there would be
> riders staging in a single line at the side of the road near the start.
> Finishing riders would have to ride through the cones before stopping or
> turning around.
>
>
> On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Sarah Tisdale wrote:
>
> I observed this too. A course modification might make it a lot safer.
> Many other TT courses have the start and finish separated by a short
> distance. Doing this will keep riders milling about at the start away from
> the high-speed finsih.
>
> For the Raven TT, I would suggest moving the start line north toward the
> corner of Youngberg Rd and Rock of Ages Rd and moving the finish line south
> toward the hill.
>
> The downside would seem to be that separating the start line and finish
> line probably complicates logistics.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote:
>
>> I think this is an excellent suggestion. I was very nervous coming
>> down to the finish because there were so many people around the start, and
>> some were turning around using both lanes on the other side of the finish
>> as I was coming in.
>>
>> The organizers did an excellent job of alerting people when a rider was
>> coming in, but it doesn't take much to forget for a moment or not hear a
>> warning, especially when everyone is concentrating on getting ready,
>> checking their start times, and focusing on themselves.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Joe Tysoe
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2013 11:29 AM
>> *To:* OBRA
>> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Raven TT- Warming down on the course?
>>
>>
>>
>> Good fun out there!
>>
>>
>>
>> An observation about warming down... I thought I noticed folks who had
>> already raced doing a casual warm down on the course?
>>
>> In particular the last finishing straight is super high speed coming off
>> Youngsberg hill, in my case not only did I pass a female racer going up
>> Youngsberg at the start who I'm pretty certain was warming down but I also
>> started to pass another woman in finishing straight; said rider was so far
>> left I couldn't safely pass on the left and I didn't feel comfortable
>> gunning it to the line on the right as I didn't know if she knew I was
>> behind her and overtaking quickly even though I shouted a few times.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any chance we can ask folks to do their casual spins away from the course
>> while the racing is still happening?
>>
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joec@aracnet.com

2013-03-26

You should never EVER cool-down/warm-up on a course while an event
is taking place!

For crying out loud people. There are several miles
of open road, far enough away from the

Finish line, yet close enough
to the staging area that you can find your way back home. This

is a
safety issue. It also helps to prevent confusion as to who is racing and
who is just

'cooling down'. This is one of those 'common-sense' issues
that shouldn't have been brought up

in the first place.

Joe

On
2013-03-26 10:27, Kitt Pratt wrote:

> What about setting up a row 3-4
cones across the road 100 or so meters back from the start finish area.
The only people allowed in there would be riders staging in a single
line at the side of the road near the start. Finishing riders would have
to ride through the cones before stopping or turning around.
>
> On
Mar 26, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Sarah Tisdale wrote:
>
>> I observed this
too. A course modification might make it a lot safer. Many other TT
courses have the start and finish separated by a short distance. Doing
this will keep riders milling about at the start away from the
high-speed finsih.
>>
>> For the Raven TT, I would suggest moving the
start line north toward the corner of Youngberg Rd and Rock of Ages Rd
and moving the finish line south toward the hill.
>>
>> The downside
would seem to be that separating the start line and finish line probably
complicates logistics.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Thomas
Kelly wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is an excellent
suggestion. I was very nervous coming down to the finish because there
were so many people around the start, and some were turning around using
both lanes on the other side of the finish as I was coming in.
>>>
>>>
The organizers did an excellent job of alerting people when a rider was
coming in, but it doesn't take much to forget for a moment or not hear a
warning, especially when everyone is concentrating on getting ready,
checking their start times, and focusing on themselves.
>>>
>>> FROM:
obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] ON BEHALF
OF Joe Tysoe
>>> SENT: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:29 AM
>>> TO: OBRA
>>>
SUBJECT: [OBRA Chat] Raven TT- Warming down on the course?
>>>
>>>
Good fun out there!
>>>
>>> An observation about warming down... I
thought I noticed folks who had already raced doing a casual warm down
on the course?
>>>
>>> In particular the last finishing straight is
super high speed coming off Youngsberg hill, in my case not only did I
pass a female racer going up Youngsberg at the start who I'm pretty
certain was warming down but I also started to pass another woman in
finishing straight; said rider was so far left I couldn't safely pass on
the left and I didn't feel comfortable gunning it to the line on the
right as I didn't know if she knew I was behind her and overtaking
quickly even though I shouted a few times.
>>>
>>> Any chance we can
ask folks to do their casual spins away from the course while the racing
is still happening?
>>>
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Kitt Pratt

2013-03-26

What about setting up a row 3-4 cones across the road 100 or so meters back from the start finish area. The only people allowed in there would be riders staging in a single line at the side of the road near the start. Finishing riders would have to ride through the cones before stopping or turning around.

On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Sarah Tisdale wrote:

> I observed this too. A course modification might make it a lot safer. Many other TT courses have the start and finish separated by a short distance. Doing this will keep riders milling about at the start away from the high-speed finsih.
>
> For the Raven TT, I would suggest moving the start line north toward the corner of Youngberg Rd and Rock of Ages Rd and moving the finish line south toward the hill.
>
> The downside would seem to be that separating the start line and finish line probably complicates logistics.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote:
> I think this is an excellent suggestion. I was very nervous coming down to the finish because there were so many people around the start, and some were turning around using both lanes on the other side of the finish as I was coming in.
>
> The organizers did an excellent job of alerting people when a rider was coming in, but it doesn't take much to forget for a moment or not hear a warning, especially when everyone is concentrating on getting ready, checking their start times, and focusing on themselves.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Joe Tysoe
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:29 AM
> To: OBRA
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Raven TT- Warming down on the course?
>
>
>
> Good fun out there!
>
>
>
> An observation about warming down... I thought I noticed folks who had already raced doing a casual warm down on the course?
>
> In particular the last finishing straight is super high speed coming off Youngsberg hill, in my case not only did I pass a female racer going up Youngsberg at the start who I'm pretty certain was warming down but I also started to pass another woman in finishing straight; said rider was so far left I couldn't safely pass on the left and I didn't feel comfortable gunning it to the line on the right as I didn't know if she knew I was behind her and overtaking quickly even though I shouted a few times.
>
>
>
> Any chance we can ask folks to do their casual spins away from the course while the racing is still happening?
>
>
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Sarah Tisdale

2013-03-26

I observed this too. A course modification might make it a lot safer.
Many other TT courses have the start and finish separated by a short
distance. Doing this will keep riders milling about at the start away from
the high-speed finsih.

For the Raven TT, I would suggest moving the start line north toward the
corner of Youngberg Rd and Rock of Ages Rd and moving the finish line south
toward the hill.

The downside would seem to be that separating the start line and finish
line probably complicates logistics.

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Thomas Kelly wrote:

> I think this is an excellent suggestion. I was very nervous coming down
> to the finish because there were so many people around the start, and some
> were turning around using both lanes on the other side of the finish as I
> was coming in.****
>
> The organizers did an excellent job of alerting people when a rider was
> coming in, but it doesn't take much to forget for a moment or not hear a
> warning, especially when everyone is concentrating on getting ready,
> checking their start times, and focusing on themselves.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Joe Tysoe
> *Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2013 11:29 AM
> *To:* OBRA
> *Subject:* [OBRA Chat] Raven TT- Warming down on the course?****
>
> ** **
>
> Good fun out there! ****
>
> ****
>
> An observation about warming down... I thought I noticed folks who had
> already raced doing a casual warm down on the course?
>
> In particular the last finishing straight is super high speed coming off
> Youngsberg hill, in my case not only did I pass a female racer going up
> Youngsberg at the start who I'm pretty certain was warming down but I also
> started to pass another woman in finishing straight; said rider was so far
> left I couldn't safely pass on the left and I didn't feel comfortable
> gunning it to the line on the right as I didn't know if she knew I was
> behind her and overtaking quickly even though I shouted a few times. ****
>
> ****
>
> Any chance we can ask folks to do their casual spins away from the course
> while the racing is still happening?****
>
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Thomas Kelly

2013-03-25

I think this is an excellent suggestion. I was very nervous coming down to the finish because there were so many people around the start, and some were turning around using both lanes on the other side of the finish as I was coming in.
The organizers did an excellent job of alerting people when a rider was coming in, but it doesn't take much to forget for a moment or not hear a warning, especially when everyone is concentrating on getting ready, checking their start times, and focusing on themselves.

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Joe Tysoe
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:29 AM
To: OBRA
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Raven TT- Warming down on the course?

Good fun out there!

An observation about warming down... I thought I noticed folks who had already raced doing a casual warm down on the course?

In particular the last finishing straight is super high speed coming off Youngsberg hill, in my case not only did I pass a female racer going up Youngsberg at the start who I'm pretty certain was warming down but I also started to pass another woman in finishing straight; said rider was so far left I couldn't safely pass on the left and I didn't feel comfortable gunning it to the line on the right as I didn't know if she knew I was behind her and overtaking quickly even though I shouted a few times.

Any chance we can ask folks to do their casual spins away from the course while the racing is still happening?


Joe Tysoe

2013-03-25

Good fun out there!

An observation about warming down... I thought I noticed folks who had
already raced doing a casual warm down on the course?

In particular the last finishing straight is super high speed coming off
Youngsberg hill, in my case not only did I pass a female racer going up
Youngsberg at the start who I'm pretty certain was warming down but I also
started to pass another woman in finishing straight; said rider was so far
left I couldn't safely pass on the left and I didn't feel comfortable
gunning it to the line on the right as I didn't know if she knew I was
behind her and overtaking quickly even though I shouted a few times.

Any chance we can ask folks to do their casual spins away from the course
while the racing is still happening?