Clydesdale Starts at XC Races

Don Leet.

2013-04-29

I double flatted today, dnfed and I still think this is the funnest race in Oregon, Melanie was great when I reported my DNF. The only bummer is I have to wait a year for the next one.
Don
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On Apr 28, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Steven Beardsley wrote:

> Mel, thanks for judging this great race. Petr and his crew, our officials and Sellwood cycles makes this the one mountain bike race each year that I never miss. So much fun (and pain).
>
> On Apr 28, 2013 5:55 PM, "Melanie Rathe" wrote:
> My apologies for the confusion with the Clydesdales at Bear Springs today. I thought it was clear to the group what was happening but apparently I was mistaken.
> Will do better for future races.
> Melanie
>
> ;o)
>
> From: "Trey Jackson"
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:03:12 PM
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Clydesdale Starts at XC Races
>
> All,
>
> TLDR: OBRA needs to standardize when Clydesdales start, and definitely NOT make last minute changes via "announcements" that most people can't hear.
>
>
>
> I just finished the Bear Springs Trap. Great course, awesome conditions, and it was well marked - I (fortunately) didn't get off course. Thanks for putting it on, I'll be there next year.
>
> When I arrived to pick up my pre-reg packet, I was told by the OBRA official that the starting times were on the other table. I went over to that table and read that Clydes would start after all the CAT 2 Men, and before the CAT 2 Women (I think the start time was to be 11:14). Perfect - easy to line up, and just like the Mudslinger this year.
>
> However, while I'm in that position, and the oldest groups of CAT2 Men are lining up to start, we hear that this is the last of the CAT 2 Men and next will be the CAT 2 Women. Someone yells out, "wait, what about Clydesdales?!" and we're told by the OBRA official, that the Clydes already left, and she'd announced that three times.
>
> With all due respect to the OBRA official at this race (she's been nothing but professional):
>
> OBRA XC races need to standardize when Clydesdales are staged.
>
> Regardless of standardization, the time sheet was very specific, and calling an audible change at the start line just leads to confusion.
>
> This is the third time (out of 7 races!!!) that this kind of thing has happened to me since I began racing last year, and it's very frustrating.
>
>
> I realize Clydedale is a TINY portion of the XC racers (8 out of 350 for the Mudslinger this year), but if you're going to recognize it as a category, then commit to it.
>
>
> Race promoters and OBRA officials:
>
> 1) The megaphone/loudspeakers you use at the XC races are unintelligible beyond 30 feet.
> When the CAT2 Men were lining up, none of the CAT2 Women around me could understand what was being said.
>
> 2) Stick to the schedule that was printed, don't make last minute changes.
>
> 3) Standardize the Clydesdale category. With rare exception, the XC races start in the order pros/CAT1(men,women)/CAT2(men,women)/CAT3...
> Put Clydesdale in there somewhere, and STICK TO IT for ALL XC races.
>
>
> I don't care where Clydes start, between CAT2 Men and Women is nice - the ladies are always cheery, and the guys can be a bit ... intense. Heck, put us with the CAT1 Men - we can be moving obstacles on the course to give it more challenge. Just do it consistently.
>
> Look, the starts to the XC races are chaotic in general, I think some small improvements could really help clear up confusion among all the riders (not just us big-boned-boys). Perhaps OBRA could provide signs on 4' poles and hold them up, indicating which category is to start next (maybe this is race promoters' responsibility, I don't know). It seems like a small investment that would provide a benefit at every race.
>
> Last year, Pickett's Charge had everyone staged with simple signs on the side of the road - it couldn't have been clearer.
>
>
>
> As for me, I'll be lining up with the CAT1 men from now on, getting in the way of everyone who is trying to start ahead of me - but it's the only way I've found to guarantee that I can ride with the other Clydes. So, I apologize in advance to all the Pros and CAT 1 Men&Women - the large guy standing in your way at the start is probably me.
>
>
> thanks,
> TJ
>
> --
> Trey Jackson
> bigfaceworm@gmail.com
>
> "Like any truly useful program, `hello' contains a built-in mail reader."
> -- GNU's Bulletin, July 1996
>
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Steven Beardsley

2013-04-29

Mel, thanks for judging this great race. Petr and his crew, our officials
and Sellwood cycles makes this the one mountain bike race each year that I
never miss. So much fun (and pain).
On Apr 28, 2013 5:55 PM, "Melanie Rathe" wrote:

> My apologies for the confusion with the Clydesdales at Bear Springs today.
> I thought it was clear to the group what was happening but apparently I was
> mistaken.
> Will do better for future races.
> Melanie
>
> ;o)
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Trey Jackson"
> *To: *obra@list.obra.org
> *Sent: *Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:03:12 PM
> *Subject: *[OBRA Chat] Clydesdale Starts at XC Races
>
> All,
>
> TLDR: OBRA needs to standardize when Clydesdales start, and definitely NOT
> make last minute changes via "announcements" that most people can't hear.
>
>
>
> I just finished the Bear Springs Trap. Great course, awesome conditions,
> and it was well marked - I (fortunately) didn't get off course. Thanks for
> putting it on, I'll be there next year.
>
> When I arrived to pick up my pre-reg packet, I was told by the OBRA
> official that the starting times were on the other table. I went over to
> that table and read that Clydes would start *after* all the CAT 2 Men,
> and before the CAT 2 Women (I think the start time was to be 11:14).
> Perfect - easy to line up, and just like the Mudslinger this year.
>
> However, while I'm in that position, and the oldest groups of CAT2 Men are
> lining up to start, we hear that this is the last of the CAT 2 Men and next
> will be the CAT 2 Women. Someone yells out, "wait, what about
> Clydesdales?!" and we're told by the OBRA official, that the Clydes already
> left, and she'd announced that three times.
>
> With all due respect to the OBRA official at this race (she's been nothing
> but professional):
>
> *OBRA XC races need to standardize when Clydesdales are staged.*
>
> Regardless of standardization, the time sheet was very specific, and
> calling an audible change at the start line just leads to confusion.
>
> This is the third time (out of 7 races!!!) that this kind of thing has
> happened to me since I began racing last year, and it's very frustrating.
>
>
> I realize Clydedale is a TINY portion of the XC racers (8 out of 350 for
> the Mudslinger this year), but if you're going to recognize it as a
> category, then commit to it.
>
>
> *Race promoters and OBRA officials:*
>
> 1) The megaphone/loudspeakers you use at the XC races
> are unintelligible beyond 30 feet.
> When the CAT2 Men were lining up, none of the CAT2 Women around me
> could understand what was being said.
>
> 2) Stick to the schedule that was printed, don't make last minute changes.
>
> 3) Standardize the Clydesdale category. With rare exception, the XC races
> start in the order pros/CAT1(men,women)/CAT2(men,women)/CAT3...
> Put Clydesdale in there somewhere, and STICK TO IT for ALL XC races.
>
>
> I don't care where Clydes start, between CAT2 Men and Women is nice - the
> ladies are always cheery, and the guys can be a bit ... intense. Heck, put
> us with the CAT1 Men - we can be moving obstacles on the course to give it
> more challenge. Just do it consistently.
>
> Look, the starts to the XC races are chaotic in general, I think some
> small improvements could really help clear up confusion among all the
> riders (not just us big-boned-boys). Perhaps OBRA could provide signs on
> 4' poles and hold them up, indicating which category is to start next
> (maybe this is race promoters' responsibility, I don't know). It seems
> like a small investment that would provide a benefit at every race.
>
> Last year, Pickett's Charge had everyone staged with simple signs on the
> side of the road - it couldn't have been clearer.
>
>
>
> As for me, I'll be lining up with the CAT1 men from now on, getting in the
> way of everyone who is trying to start ahead of me - but it's the only way
> I've found to guarantee that I can ride with the other Clydes. So, I
> apologize in advance to all the Pros and CAT 1 Men&Women - the large guy
> standing in your way at the start is probably me.
>
>
> thanks,
> TJ
>
> --
> Trey Jackson
> bigfaceworm@gmail.com
>
> "Like any truly useful program, `hello' contains a built-in mail reader."
> -- GNU's Bulletin, July 1996
>
>
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Melanie Rathe

2013-04-29

My apologies for the confusion with the Clydesdales at Bear Springs today. I thought it was clear to the group what was happening but apparently I was mistaken.
Will do better for future races.
Melanie

;o)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Trey Jackson"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:03:12 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Clydesdale Starts at XC Races

All,

TLDR: OBRA needs to standardize when Clydesdales start, and definitely NOT make last minute changes via "announcements" that most people can't hear.

I just finished the Bear Springs Trap. Great course, awesome conditions, and it was well marked - I (fortunately) didn't get off course. Thanks for putting it on, I'll be there next year.

When I arrived to pick up my pre-reg packet, I was told by the OBRA official that the starting times were on the other table. I went over to that table and read that Clydes would start after all the CAT 2 Men, and before the CAT 2 Women (I think the start time was to be 11:14). Perfect - easy to line up, and just like the Mudslinger this year.

However, while I'm in that position, and the oldest groups of CAT2 Men are lining up to start, we hear that this is the last of the CAT 2 Men and next will be the CAT 2 Women. Someone yells out, "wait, what about Clydesdales?!" and we're told by the OBRA official, that the Clydes already left, and she'd announced that three times.

With all due respect to the OBRA official at this race (she's been nothing but professional):

OBRA XC races need to standardize when Clydesdales are staged.

Regardless of standardization, the time sheet was very specific, and calling an audible change at the start line just leads to confusion.

This is the third time (out of 7 races!!!) that this kind of thing has happened to me since I began racing last year, and it's very frustrating.

I realize Clydedale is a TINY portion of the XC racers (8 out of 350 for the Mudslinger this year), but if you're going to recognize it as a category, then commit to it.

Race promoters and OBRA officials:

1) The megaphone/loudspeakers you use at the XC races are unintelligible beyond 30 feet.
When the CAT2 Men were lining up, none of the CAT2 Women around me could understand what was being said.

2) Stick to the schedule that was printed, don't make last minute changes.

3) Standardize the Clydesdale category. With rare exception, the XC races start in the order pros/CAT1(men,women)/CAT2(men,women)/CAT3...
Put Clydesdale in there somewhere, and STICK TO IT for ALL XC races.

I don't care where Clydes start, between CAT2 Men and Women is nice - the ladies are always cheery, and the guys can be a bit ... intense. Heck, put us with the CAT1 Men - we can be moving obstacles on the course to give it more challenge. Just do it consistently.

Look, the starts to the XC races are chaotic in general, I think some small improvements could really help clear up confusion among all the riders (not just us big-boned-boys). Perhaps OBRA could provide signs on 4' poles and hold them up, indicating which category is to start next (maybe this is race promoters' responsibility, I don't know). It seems like a small investment that would provide a benefit at every race.

Last year, Pickett's Charge had everyone staged with simple signs on the side of the road - it couldn't have been clearer.

As for me, I'll be lining up with the CAT1 men from now on, getting in the way of everyone who is trying to start ahead of me - but it's the only way I've found to guarantee that I can ride with the other Clydes. So, I apologize in advance to all the Pros and CAT 1 Men&Women - the large guy standing in your way at the start is probably me.

thanks,
TJ

--
Trey Jackson
bigfaceworm@gmail.com

"Like any truly useful program, `hello' contains a built-in mail reader."
-- GNU's Bulletin, July 1996

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Trey Jackson

2013-04-29

All,

TLDR: OBRA needs to standardize when Clydesdales start, and definitely NOT
make last minute changes via "announcements" that most people can't hear.

I just finished the Bear Springs Trap. Great course, awesome conditions,
and it was well marked - I (fortunately) didn't get off course. Thanks for
putting it on, I'll be there next year.

When I arrived to pick up my pre-reg packet, I was told by the OBRA
official that the starting times were on the other table. I went over to
that table and read that Clydes would start *after* all the CAT 2 Men, and
before the CAT 2 Women (I think the start time was to be 11:14). Perfect -
easy to line up, and just like the Mudslinger this year.

However, while I'm in that position, and the oldest groups of CAT2 Men are
lining up to start, we hear that this is the last of the CAT 2 Men and next
will be the CAT 2 Women. Someone yells out, "wait, what about
Clydesdales?!" and we're told by the OBRA official, that the Clydes already
left, and she'd announced that three times.

With all due respect to the OBRA official at this race (she's been nothing
but professional):

*OBRA XC races need to standardize when Clydesdales are staged.*

Regardless of standardization, the time sheet was very specific, and
calling an audible change at the start line just leads to confusion.

This is the third time (out of 7 races!!!) that this kind of thing has
happened to me since I began racing last year, and it's very frustrating.

I realize Clydedale is a TINY portion of the XC racers (8 out of 350 for
the Mudslinger this year), but if you're going to recognize it as a
category, then commit to it.

*Race promoters and OBRA officials:*

1) The megaphone/loudspeakers you use at the XC races
are unintelligible beyond 30 feet.
When the CAT2 Men were lining up, none of the CAT2 Women around me could
understand what was being said.

2) Stick to the schedule that was printed, don't make last minute changes.

3) Standardize the Clydesdale category. With rare exception, the XC races
start in the order pros/CAT1(men,women)/CAT2(men,women)/CAT3...
Put Clydesdale in there somewhere, and STICK TO IT for ALL XC races.

I don't care where Clydes start, between CAT2 Men and Women is nice - the
ladies are always cheery, and the guys can be a bit ... intense. Heck, put
us with the CAT1 Men - we can be moving obstacles on the course to give it
more challenge. Just do it consistently.

Look, the starts to the XC races are chaotic in general, I think some small
improvements could really help clear up confusion among all the riders (not
just us big-boned-boys). Perhaps OBRA could provide signs on 4' poles and
hold them up, indicating which category is to start next (maybe this is
race promoters' responsibility, I don't know). It seems like a small
investment that would provide a benefit at every race.

Last year, Pickett's Charge had everyone staged with simple signs on the
side of the road - it couldn't have been clearer.

As for me, I'll be lining up with the CAT1 men from now on, getting in the
way of everyone who is trying to start ahead of me - but it's the only way
I've found to guarantee that I can ride with the other Clydes. So, I
apologize in advance to all the Pros and CAT 1 Men&Women - the large guy
standing in your way at the start is probably me.

thanks,
TJ

--
Trey Jackson
bigfaceworm@gmail.com

"Like any truly useful program, `hello' contains a built-in mail reader."
-- GNU's Bulletin, July 1996