CAT 4 DQ at BB

Mike Murray

2013-05-08

There was never a rider DQd for obscured number. The rider whose number was obscured was mis-placed as her number was guessed to be something else and then later corrected.

There is a procedure for results corrections, protests, etc. I don't recall that it includes "send an e-mail to OBRA chat".

Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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Rick Johnson

2013-05-08











On 5/8/2013 1:47 PM, Kristina Hughes wrote:



That is
correct I can see everyone it has all been fixed.  Thanks to all
the officials and OBRA members for working it out.  Great job
everyone!












From: Melanie
Rathe <mellierat@comcast.net>

To:
Kristina Hughes <kristina3751@rocketmail.com>

Cc:
obra@list.obra.org

Sent:
Wednesday, May 8, 2013 1:31 PM

Subject:
Re: [OBRA Chat] CAT 4 DQ at BB







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There
is no DQ listed on the obra results page for Banana
Belt.....




;o)






From: "Kristina Hughes"
<kristina3751@rocketmail.com>

To: obra@list.obra.org

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 12:23:46 PM

Subject: [OBRA Chat] CAT 4 DQ at BB




A Cat 4 woman at Banana Belt last weekend was
DQ'd because her hair (in

a ponytail) obstructed part of her number as she
finished 3rd.  Perhaps

she should have received a warning first?  Even
so, she is polite and

respectful to OBRA officials about this and is
accepting her DQ.  Well,

we all make mistakes, she worked so hard for her
place, she is a mom of

two boys, etc...maybe she can be forgiven?  How
about just a warning?

And she promises to braid her hair next weekend?




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Kristina Hughes

2013-05-08

It has all been worked out.  Thanks :)

________________________________
From: Rick Johnson
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CAT 4 DQ at BB

Am I missing something about this story? Not only does "unreadable
numbers" not list disqualification as a penalty but even if it was a
violation of another section disqualification should only come on the
3rd offense.

Or is this a case of the the subject line incorrectly calling a "not
placed" a "DQ"?

8. Race numbers
8.1 General
Race numbers shall either be the numbers provided with OBRA membership
for the current year or numbers provided by the race organizer. Numbers
from other races or OBRA numbers not from the current year may not be
used. Penalty or disqualification is at the discretion of the Race Official.
8.2 Technical requirements
Numbers will be block figures and will be easily read at a distance.
They will be black figures on a white background. Riders will place
their numbers according to the instructions of the officials and/or race
organizer.
8.3 Prohibitions
8.3.1 Modification of numbers
No rider shall cut, fold, mutilate, trim or apply stickers to the race
number, nor shall they sell, trade or give the issued number to another
individual. Penalty or disqualification is at the discretion of the Race
Official.
8.3.2 Drawn numbers
Hand drawn numbers are not allowed.
8.3.3 Habitual Number Issues
If a rider habitually fails to properly pin a number or modifies/folds
or mutilates numbers after being informed of the improper placement, the
Chief Referee may do the following:
1st offense after notification: warning
2nd offense after notification: relegation
3rd offense after notification: disqualification
8.4 Unreadable numbers
Unreadable numbers may not be placed.
8.5 Rules specific to road races
8.5.1 Size requirements
The numbers shall be a minimum of 12 cm high on a minimum 20 cm by 20 cm
background.
8.5.2 Two number requirement
In road competitions on public roads, with the exception of criteriums,
riders shall wear two numbers. One shall be on the on the lower left
back facing the rear of the rider. Riders with
temporary numbers shall be exempted from this rule. Penalty may be a
relegation of 5 spots from the rider’s finish.

Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon

On 5/8/2013 1:13 PM, Richard Rosko wrote:
> OBRA 2013 rules are linked on the main OBRA page.  It covers unreadable numbers, who's responsible for the results of the race, protests, and appeals.
>
> Rich Rosko
>
> http://www.obra.org/pdfs/2013RacingRules.pdf
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> Re: CAT 4 DQ at BB
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> Date
> 05/08/2013 12:53 PM
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> Leibowitz, Flo
>
> This does seem awfully harsh. Is there a process for review that can be called upon?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 8, 2013, at 12:25 PM, "Kristina Hughes" > wrote:
>
> A Cat 4 woman at Banana Belt last weekend was DQ'd because her hair (in
> a ponytail) obstructed part of her number as she finished 3rd. Perhaps
> she should have received a warning first? Even so, she is polite and
> respectful to OBRA officials about this and is accepting her DQ. Well,
> we all make mistakes, she worked so hard for her place, she is a mom of
> two boys, etc...maybe she can be forgiven? How about just a warning?
> And she promises to braid her hair next weekend?
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Kristina Hughes

2013-05-08

That is correct I can see everyone it has all been fixed.  Thanks to all the officials and OBRA members for working it out.  Great job everyone!

________________________________
From: Melanie Rathe
To: Kristina Hughes
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] CAT 4 DQ at BB

There is no DQ listed on the obra results page for Banana Belt.....

;o)

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From: "Kristina Hughes"
To: obra@list.obra.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 12:23:46 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] CAT 4 DQ at BB

A Cat 4 woman at Banana Belt last weekend was DQ'd because her hair (in
a ponytail) obstructed part of her number as she finished 3rd.  Perhaps
she should have received a warning first?  Even so, she is polite and
respectful to OBRA officials about this and is accepting her DQ.  Well,
we all make mistakes, she worked so hard for her place, she is a mom of
two boys, etc...maybe she can be forgiven?  How about just a warning?
And she promises to braid her hair next weekend?
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Melanie Rathe

2013-05-08

There is no DQ listed on the obra results page for Banana Belt.....

;o)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kristina Hughes"
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Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 12:23:46 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] CAT 4 DQ at BB

A Cat 4 woman at Banana Belt last weekend was DQ'd because her hair (in
a ponytail) obstructed part of her number as she finished 3rd.  Perhaps
she should have received a warning first?  Even so, she is polite and
respectful to OBRA officials about this and is accepting her DQ.  Well,
we all make mistakes, she worked so hard for her place, she is a mom of
two boys, etc...maybe she can be forgiven?  How about just a warning?
And she promises to braid her hair next weekend?
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Steven Beardsley

2013-05-08

The rider should not have been DQ, just not placed.

OBRA Rule 8.4 Unreadable numbers

Unreadable numbers may not be placed.

I'm guessing that if the rider went back to the Chief Judge and let them
know her number and the place she thought she placed, then the issue could
have been resolved right there. Writing a note to the Chief Judge might get
it resolved also.

If the rider wants to protest the result, they need to provide a
written protest to the Chief Ref for review. If the protest comes back
unfavorable, they may submit the protest to the Executive Director for
review by the OBRA Board of Directors.

For what it's worth, I don't see any rider being listed as DQ'ed in the Cat
4 Women's results.

What Rich said too, read the rules...

On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Leibowitz, Flo
wrote:
>
> This does seem awfully harsh. Is there a process for review that can be
called upon?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 8, 2013, at 12:25 PM, "Kristina Hughes" <
kristina3751@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> A Cat 4 woman at Banana Belt last weekend was DQ'd because her hair (in
> a ponytail) obstructed part of her number as she finished 3rd. Perhaps
> she should have received a warning first? Even so, she is polite and
> respectful to OBRA officials about this and is accepting her DQ. Well,
> we all make mistakes, she worked so hard for her place, she is a mom of
> two boys, etc...maybe she can be forgiven? How about just a warning?
> And she promises to braid her hair next weekend?
>
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Leibowitz, Flo

2013-05-08

This does seem awfully harsh. Is there a process for review that can be called upon?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 8, 2013, at 12:25 PM, "Kristina Hughes" > wrote:

A Cat 4 woman at Banana Belt last weekend was DQ'd because her hair (in
a ponytail) obstructed part of her number as she finished 3rd. Perhaps
she should have received a warning first? Even so, she is polite and
respectful to OBRA officials about this and is accepting her DQ. Well,
we all make mistakes, she worked so hard for her place, she is a mom of
two boys, etc...maybe she can be forgiven? How about just a warning?
And she promises to braid her hair next weekend?
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Kristina Hughes

2013-05-08

A Cat 4 woman at Banana Belt last weekend was DQ'd because her hair (in
a ponytail) obstructed part of her number as she finished 3rd.  Perhaps
she should have received a warning first?  Even so, she is polite and
respectful to OBRA officials about this and is accepting her DQ.  Well,
we all make mistakes, she worked so hard for her place, she is a mom of
two boys, etc...maybe she can be forgiven?  How about just a warning?
And she promises to braid her hair next weekend?