Re: Giro TT question (*note: spoiler*)

Steven Beardsley

2013-05-23

They had to use a different colored jersey, but they chose to wear pink.

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 2:05 PM, wrote:

> Didn't they have to use the pink jerseys in the TdF to not confuse the
> riders with the rider wearing the Yellow Jersey?
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Steven Beardsley"
> *To: *"Michael Cole"
> *Cc: *"OBRA"
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:00:33 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [OBRA Chat] Giro TT question (*note: spoiler*)
>
> Oh, I wasn't talking about leaders jerseys or any of that nonsense. It's
> about the pink. Why do you think ONCE chose to switch to pink during the
> TdF?
>
>
>
> It's possible that he has been 2% better for the ENTIRE Giro so far, but
> hasn't had to use it. Once you are in the lead, you get to decide when and
> where to push it. He could have been saving that extra 2% for today when he
> knows his 2% won't be negated by drafting.
>
>
>
> He also could have gone 2% too deep today and will pay for it tomorrow. I
> guess we will see.
>
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Michael Cole wrote:
>
>> Oooo Steven -- now you've done it! Just upgraded the thread title to full
>> spoiler... ;-)
>>
>> But as long as we're here...
>>
>> I always discounted the "leader's jersey gives you wings" thing --
>> preferring to focus on less qualitative factors -- like the benefit of
>> starting a TT last, and having a DS in your earpiece telling you the split
>> times you need to beat. I always thought that "chasing" something could add
>> a few watts, but "defending" something might subtract a few as anxiety
>> crept in.
>>
>> However, from my vantage point as a mid-pack finisher, it's hard for me
>> to relate. Anybody with actual experience care to comment??
>>
>> On May 23, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Steven Beardsley
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's the power of wearing pink...
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Michael Cole wrote:
>>
>>> I was amazed yet puzzled watching today's Giro TT stage. A question for
>>> the armchair OBRA physiologists out there:
>>>
>>> How is it possible, in today's world of marginal gains, and after two
>>> weeks of tough racing, for a top pro to be over 2% better than the best in
>>> the business on an uphill TT?
>>>
>>> Since it's all about power-to-weight ratio, and everyone has the
>>> lightest bikes allowable and the body fat percentage of a gnat... it's
>>> tough to find an explanation in the denominator of that fraction.
>>>
>>> What's happening up in the numerator?
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jon.ragsdale@comcast.net

2013-05-23

Didn't they have to use the pink jerseys in the TdF to not confuse the riders with the rider wearing the Yellow Jersey?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Beardsley"
To: "Michael Cole"
Cc: "OBRA"
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:00:33 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Giro TT question (*note: spoiler*)

Oh, I wasn't talking about leaders jerseys or any of that nonsense. It's about the pink. Why do you think ONCE chose to switch to pink during the TdF?

It's possible that he has been 2% better for the ENTIRE Giro so far, but hasn't had to use it. Once you are in the lead, you get to decide when and where to push it. He could have been saving that extra 2% for today when he knows his 2% won't be negated by drafting.

He also could have gone 2% too deep today and will pay for it tomorrow. I guess we will see.

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Michael Cole < Mcolepdx@comcast.net > wrote:

Oooo Steven -- now you've done it! Just upgraded the thread title to full spoiler... ;-)

But as long as we're here...

I always discounted the "leader's jersey gives you wings" thing -- preferring to focus on less qualitative factors -- like the benefit of starting a TT last, and having a DS in your earpiece telling you the split times you need to beat. I always thought that "chasing" something could add a few watts, but "defending" something might subtract a few as anxiety crept in.

However, from my vantage point as a mid-pack finisher, it's hard for me to relate. Anybody with actual experience care to comment??

On May 23, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Steven Beardsley < srbeards@gmail.com > wrote:

That's the power of wearing pink...

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Michael Cole < Mcolepdx@comcast.net > wrote:


I was amazed yet puzzled watching today's Giro TT stage. A question for the armchair OBRA physiologists out there:

How is it possible, in today's world of marginal gains, and after two weeks of tough racing, for a top pro to be over 2% better than the best in the business on an uphill TT?

Since it's all about power-to-weight ratio, and everyone has the lightest bikes allowable and the body fat percentage of a gnat... it's tough to find an explanation in the denominator of that fraction.

What's happening up in the numerator?
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They were told that they could not use their usual yellow, since it
conflicted with the leader.

_____

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Cole
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:13 PM
To: Steven Beardsley
Cc: OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Giro TT question (*note: spoiler*)

Hmmm... need to find some pink before the PIR TT on Monday... ;-)

On May 23, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Steven Beardsley wrote:

Oh, I wasn't talking about leaders jerseys or any of that nonsense. It's
about the pink. Why do you think ONCE chose to switch to pink during the
TdF?


joec@aracnet.com

2013-05-23

And the quality of one's 'vitamins'...

-J

On 2013-05-23 13:32, Mike Murray wrote:
> The difference between a good day and a bad day is more than 2%.
> Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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Mike Murray

2013-05-23

The difference between a good day and a bad day is more than 2%.
Mike Murray - Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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Michael Cole

2013-05-23

Hmmm... need to find some pink before the PIR TT on Monday... ;-)

On May 23, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Steven Beardsley wrote:

> Oh, I wasn't talking about leaders jerseys or any of that nonsense. It's about the pink. Why do you think ONCE chose to switch to pink during the TdF?
>


matt Savage

2013-05-23

#TrusySwitchblade

We Rule way more than 2% than others...

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Steven Beardsley wrote:

> Oh, I wasn't talking about leaders jerseys or any of that nonsense. It's
> about the pink. Why do you think ONCE chose to switch to pink during the
> TdF?
>
>
>
> It's possible that he has been 2% better for the ENTIRE Giro so far, but
> hasn't had to use it. Once you are in the lead, you get to decide when and
> where to push it. He could have been saving that extra 2% for today when he
> knows his 2% won't be negated by drafting.
>
>
>
> He also could have gone 2% too deep today and will pay for it tomorrow. I
> guess we will see.
>
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Michael Cole wrote:
>
>> Oooo Steven -- now you've done it! Just upgraded the thread title to full
>> spoiler... ;-)
>>
>> But as long as we're here...
>>
>> I always discounted the "leader's jersey gives you wings" thing --
>> preferring to focus on less qualitative factors -- like the benefit of
>> starting a TT last, and having a DS in your earpiece telling you the split
>> times you need to beat. I always thought that "chasing" something could add
>> a few watts, but "defending" something might subtract a few as anxiety
>> crept in.
>>
>> However, from my vantage point as a mid-pack finisher, it's hard for me
>> to relate. Anybody with actual experience care to comment??
>>
>> On May 23, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Steven Beardsley
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's the power of wearing pink...
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Michael Cole wrote:
>>
>>> I was amazed yet puzzled watching today's Giro TT stage. A question for
>>> the armchair OBRA physiologists out there:
>>>
>>> How is it possible, in today's world of marginal gains, and after two
>>> weeks of tough racing, for a top pro to be over 2% better than the best in
>>> the business on an uphill TT?
>>>
>>> Since it's all about power-to-weight ratio, and everyone has the
>>> lightest bikes allowable and the body fat percentage of a gnat... it's
>>> tough to find an explanation in the denominator of that fraction.
>>>
>>> What's happening up in the numerator?
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
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Steven Beardsley

2013-05-23

Oh, I wasn't talking about leaders jerseys or any of that nonsense. It's
about the pink. Why do you think ONCE chose to switch to pink during the
TdF?

It's possible that he has been 2% better for the ENTIRE Giro so far, but
hasn't had to use it. Once you are in the lead, you get to decide when and
where to push it. He could have been saving that extra 2% for today when he
knows his 2% won't be negated by drafting.

He also could have gone 2% too deep today and will pay for it tomorrow. I
guess we will see.

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Michael Cole wrote:

> Oooo Steven -- now you've done it! Just upgraded the thread title to full
> spoiler... ;-)
>
> But as long as we're here...
>
> I always discounted the "leader's jersey gives you wings" thing --
> preferring to focus on less qualitative factors -- like the benefit of
> starting a TT last, and having a DS in your earpiece telling you the split
> times you need to beat. I always thought that "chasing" something could add
> a few watts, but "defending" something might subtract a few as anxiety
> crept in.
>
> However, from my vantage point as a mid-pack finisher, it's hard for me to
> relate. Anybody with actual experience care to comment??
>
> On May 23, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Steven Beardsley wrote:
>
> That's the power of wearing pink...
>
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Michael Cole wrote:
>
>> I was amazed yet puzzled watching today's Giro TT stage. A question for
>> the armchair OBRA physiologists out there:
>>
>> How is it possible, in today's world of marginal gains, and after two
>> weeks of tough racing, for a top pro to be over 2% better than the best in
>> the business on an uphill TT?
>>
>> Since it's all about power-to-weight ratio, and everyone has the lightest
>> bikes allowable and the body fat percentage of a gnat... it's tough to find
>> an explanation in the denominator of that fraction.
>>
>> What's happening up in the numerator?
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>
>
>


Michael Cole

2013-05-23

Oooo Steven -- now you've done it! Just upgraded the thread title to full spoiler... ;-)

But as long as we're here...

I always discounted the "leader's jersey gives you wings" thing -- preferring to focus on less qualitative factors -- like the benefit of starting a TT last, and having a DS in your earpiece telling you the split times you need to beat. I always thought that "chasing" something could add a few watts, but "defending" something might subtract a few as anxiety crept in.

However, from my vantage point as a mid-pack finisher, it's hard for me to relate. Anybody with actual experience care to comment??

On May 23, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Steven Beardsley wrote:

> That's the power of wearing pink...
>
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Michael Cole wrote:
> I was amazed yet puzzled watching today's Giro TT stage. A question for the armchair OBRA physiologists out there:
>
> How is it possible, in today's world of marginal gains, and after two weeks of tough racing, for a top pro to be over 2% better than the best in the business on an uphill TT?
>
> Since it's all about power-to-weight ratio, and everyone has the lightest bikes allowable and the body fat percentage of a gnat... it's tough to find an explanation in the denominator of that fraction.
>
> What's happening up in the numerator?
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