Mark J. Ginsberg

if you need to ask what the phrase "Alone in the picture" is, then no, you should not be throwing up your hands.

Beyond the rules, at the local level, it's just ego at that point.
If you won, you will always have that win, so that cool Pro photo, well, let that wait until you are a pro.

My $0.02.

 
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When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.
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Brian List

Sorry. I missed "after I cross the line".
Fine by me.

On May 31, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Brian List wrote:

> That is particularly annoying. It is almost as if the point is to cause more work for the officials.
>
>
>
> On May 31, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Drew Coleman wrote:
>
>> I have been known to throw up in my hands just after I cross the line in 10th ... is that legal?
>>
>> From: cmurray@obra.org
>> To: adrianpdx@gmail.com
>> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 08:15:47 -0700
>> CC: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....
>>
>> I think that there may more to it than just throwing your hands up at BDB, because there was a protest filed by another rider.
>>
>> Candi
>>
>>
>>
>> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Richardson
>> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:57 PM
>> To: Scott Jones
>> Cc: Dave Roth; OBRA Email List
>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....
>>
>>
>>
>> This is all great information.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was just curious as I noticed a regulation at bend don't brake; then see quite the opposite represented on obra's front page. That's all.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Scott Jones wrote:
>>
>> Amen Dave!
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott Jones
>>
>> Damascus Christian High School
>> Head Track Coach
>> 971.998.2132
>> www.dcs4you.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Dave Roth wrote:
>>
>> From the perspective of an OBRA official who operates the finish line camera system, when you sit up as you cross the finish line, I can't read your number. It doesn't matter if you are the winner or in 37th place, if you sit up, the camera can't see your number and it creates extra work for the officials trying to place you. So don't sit up as you cross the finish line. If you are the winner, celebrate after the line. If you are in 37th place, keep your hands on the bars until after you cross the line. Then I will have a much better chance of reading your number.
>>
>> From: adrianpdx@gmail.com
>> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:34:24 -0700
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....
>>
>>
>>
>> When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.
>>
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Brian List

That is particularly annoying. It is almost as if the point is to cause more work for the officials.

On May 31, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Drew Coleman wrote:

> I have been known to throw up in my hands just after I cross the line in 10th ... is that legal?
>
> From: cmurray@obra.org
> To: adrianpdx@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 08:15:47 -0700
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....
>
> I think that there may more to it than just throwing your hands up at BDB, because there was a protest filed by another rider.
>
> Candi
>
>
>
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Richardson
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:57 PM
> To: Scott Jones
> Cc: Dave Roth; OBRA Email List
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....
>
>
>
> This is all great information.
>
>
>
> I was just curious as I noticed a regulation at bend don't brake; then see quite the opposite represented on obra's front page. That's all.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Scott Jones wrote:
>
> Amen Dave!
>
>
>
> Scott Jones
>
> Damascus Christian High School
> Head Track Coach
> 971.998.2132
> www.dcs4you.org
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Dave Roth wrote:
>
> From the perspective of an OBRA official who operates the finish line camera system, when you sit up as you cross the finish line, I can't read your number. It doesn't matter if you are the winner or in 37th place, if you sit up, the camera can't see your number and it creates extra work for the officials trying to place you. So don't sit up as you cross the finish line. If you are the winner, celebrate after the line. If you are in 37th place, keep your hands on the bars until after you cross the line. Then I will have a much better chance of reading your number.
>
> From: adrianpdx@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:34:24 -0700
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....
>
>
>
> When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.
>
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:22:41
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Darell C. Provencher

In 30+ years at PIR I have seen at least three races where the winner
raised his arms at or just after the finish line and then veer (even
slightly) left or right and proceed to knock down or cause the crash of
other cyclists across the finish line. Finishes at PIR are often into the
sun as well. So don't do it unless you're a Pro (and in a sanctioned USAC
race) or even a retired Cippo and you have to zip up your jersey for the
sponsors and the cameras of Universal or NBC Sports.

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Drew Coleman wrote:

> I have been known to throw up in my hands just after I cross the line in
> 10th ... is that legal?
>
> ------------------------------
> From: cmurray@obra.org
> To: adrianpdx@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 08:15:47 -0700
> CC: obra@list.obra.org
>
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....
>
> I think that there may more to it than just throwing your hands up at BDB,
> because there was a protest filed by another rider.
>
> Candi
>
>
>
> *From:* obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Adrian Richardson
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:57 PM
> *To:* Scott Jones
> *Cc:* Dave Roth; OBRA Email List
> *Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....
>
>
>
> This is all great information.
>
>
>
> I was just curious as I noticed a regulation at bend don't brake; then see
> quite the opposite represented on obra's front page. That's all.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Scott Jones
> wrote:
>
> Amen Dave!
>
>
> Scott Jones
>
> Damascus Christian High School
> Head Track Coach
> 971.998.2132
> www.dcs4you.org
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Dave Roth wrote:
>
> From the perspective of an OBRA official who operates the finish line
> camera system, when you sit up as you cross the finish line, I can't read
> your number. It doesn't matter if you are the winner or in 37th place, if
> you sit up, the camera can't see your number and it creates extra work for
> the officials trying to place you. So don't sit up as you cross the finish
> line. If you are the winner, celebrate after the line. If you are in 37th
> place, keep your hands on the bars until after you cross the line. Then I
> will have a much better chance of reading your number.
> ------------------------------
>
> From: adrianpdx@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:34:24 -0700
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....
>
>
>
> When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.
>
>
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Drew Coleman

I have been known to throw up in my hands just after I cross the line in 10th ... is that legal?

From: cmurray@obra.org
To: adrianpdx@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 08:15:47 -0700
CC: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....

I think that there may more to it than just throwing your hands up at BDB, because there was a protest filed by another rider.Candi From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Richardson
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:57 PM
To: Scott Jones
Cc: Dave Roth; OBRA Email List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up.... This is all great information. I was just curious as I noticed a regulation at bend don't brake; then see quite the opposite represented on obra's front page. That's all. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Scott Jones wrote:Amen Dave!Scott JonesDamascus Christian High School
Head Track Coach
971.998.2132
www.dcs4you.org On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Dave Roth wrote:From the perspective of an OBRA official who operates the finish line camera system, when you sit up as you cross the finish line, I can't read your number. It doesn't matter if you are the winner or in 37th place, if you sit up, the camera can't see your number and it creates extra work for the officials trying to place you. So don't sit up as you cross the finish line. If you are the winner, celebrate after the line. If you are in 37th place, keep your hands on the bars until after you cross the line. Then I will have a much better chance of reading your number.From: adrianpdx@gmail.com
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Candi Murray

I think that there may more to it than just throwing your hands up at BDB,
because there was a protest filed by another rider.

Candi

From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Adrian Richardson
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:57 PM
To: Scott Jones
Cc: Dave Roth; OBRA Email List
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....

This is all great information.

I was just curious as I noticed a regulation at bend don't brake; then see
quite the opposite represented on obra's front page. That's all.

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Scott Jones
wrote:

Amen Dave!

Scott Jones

Damascus Christian High School
Head Track Coach
971.998.2132
www.dcs4you.org

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Dave Roth wrote:

>From the perspective of an OBRA official who operates the finish line camera
system, when you sit up as you cross the finish line, I can't read your
number. It doesn't matter if you are the winner or in 37th place, if you sit
up, the camera can't see your number and it creates extra work for the
officials trying to place you. So don't sit up as you cross the finish line.
If you are the winner, celebrate after the line. If you are in 37th place,
keep your hands on the bars until after you cross the line. Then I will have
a much better chance of reading your number.

_____

From: adrianpdx@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:34:24 -0700
To: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....

When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.

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Mike Murray

The only rule against it is the dangerous riding rule. Clearly a bad idea if it is a close sprint and there is anyone near you. Particularly stupid if you are not first. Basically it is pretty much a poser sort of thing to do most of the time. If it causes you or someone else near you to fall or almost fall you can be pretty sure the officials will give you a penalty that will make it so that it was not a win anyhow.

As Dave points out it does cause problems for the camera although we generally know who is first. The bigger problem is the person further back in the field who sits up with their arms down and covering their number. Often this forces the official to search prior laps for the same guy when the number is visible. It is a PITA.

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Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:51:34
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Steven Beardsley

Looking at the pictures from BDB, I'm 99% sure that person was relegated
for an irregular sprint, which impeded forward progress of a rider. But I
wasn't there and didn't talk to any of the riders or officials involved, so
I could be way off.

Putting you hands in the air is not against the rules, unless the ref has
some way of justifying it as dangerous riding.
On May 30, 2013 11:59 PM, "Adrian Richardson" wrote:

> This is all great information.
>
> I was just curious as I noticed a regulation at bend don't brake; then see
> quite the opposite represented on obra's front page. That's all.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Scott Jones wrote:
>
>> Amen Dave!
>>
>> Scott Jones
>> Damascus Christian High School
>> Head Track Coach
>> 971.998.2132
>> www.dcs4you.org
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Dave Roth wrote:
>>
>>> From the perspective of an OBRA official who operates the finish line
>>> camera system, when you sit up as you cross the finish line, I can't read
>>> your number. It doesn't matter if you are the winner or in 37th place, if
>>> you sit up, the camera can't see your number and it creates extra work for
>>> the officials trying to place you. So don't sit up as you cross the finish
>>> line. If you are the winner, celebrate after the line. If you are in 37th
>>> place, keep your hands on the bars until after you cross the line. Then I
>>> will have a much better chance of reading your number.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: adrianpdx@gmail.com
>>> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:34:24 -0700
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....
>>>
>>>
>>> When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.
>>>
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Adrian Richardson

Oops, "Relegation"

Sincere apologies to my non gmail friends...
On May 30, 2013 11:56 PM, "Adrian Richardson" wrote:

> This is all great information.
>
> I was just curious as I noticed a regulation at bend don't brake; then see
> quite the opposite represented on obra's front page. That's all.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Scott Jones wrote:
>
>> Amen Dave!
>>
>> Scott Jones
>> Damascus Christian High School
>> Head Track Coach
>> 971.998.2132
>> www.dcs4you.org
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Dave Roth wrote:
>>
>>> From the perspective of an OBRA official who operates the finish line
>>> camera system, when you sit up as you cross the finish line, I can't read
>>> your number. It doesn't matter if you are the winner or in 37th place, if
>>> you sit up, the camera can't see your number and it creates extra work for
>>> the officials trying to place you. So don't sit up as you cross the finish
>>> line. If you are the winner, celebrate after the line. If you are in 37th
>>> place, keep your hands on the bars until after you cross the line. Then I
>>> will have a much better chance of reading your number.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: adrianpdx@gmail.com
>>> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:34:24 -0700
>>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....
>>>
>>>
>>> When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.
>>>
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Adrian Richardson

This is all great information.

I was just curious as I noticed a regulation at bend don't brake; then see
quite the opposite represented on obra's front page. That's all.

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Scott Jones wrote:

> Amen Dave!
>
> Scott Jones
> Damascus Christian High School
> Head Track Coach
> 971.998.2132
> www.dcs4you.org
>
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Dave Roth wrote:
>
>> From the perspective of an OBRA official who operates the finish line
>> camera system, when you sit up as you cross the finish line, I can't read
>> your number. It doesn't matter if you are the winner or in 37th place, if
>> you sit up, the camera can't see your number and it creates extra work for
>> the officials trying to place you. So don't sit up as you cross the finish
>> line. If you are the winner, celebrate after the line. If you are in 37th
>> place, keep your hands on the bars until after you cross the line. Then I
>> will have a much better chance of reading your number.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: adrianpdx@gmail.com
>> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:34:24 -0700
>> To: obra@list.obra.org
>> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....
>>
>>
>> When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.
>>
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Scott Jones

Amen Dave!

Scott Jones
Damascus Christian High School
Head Track Coach
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www.dcs4you.org

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Dave Roth wrote:

> From the perspective of an OBRA official who operates the finish line
> camera system, when you sit up as you cross the finish line, I can't read
> your number. It doesn't matter if you are the winner or in 37th place, if
> you sit up, the camera can't see your number and it creates extra work for
> the officials trying to place you. So don't sit up as you cross the finish
> line. If you are the winner, celebrate after the line. If you are in 37th
> place, keep your hands on the bars until after you cross the line. Then I
> will have a much better chance of reading your number.
>
> ------------------------------
> From: adrianpdx@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:34:24 -0700
> To: obra@list.obra.org
> Subject: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....
>
>
> When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.
>
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Stewart Campbell

I just judged my first race last night at Tabor...and that is harder than it looks.  I know OBRA says not to throw up your hands, mainly because none of us can catch your number as your hauling ass over the finish line.

My thought is to throw up your hands the second you cross the line.  Or you can do what I do at TT races...and just throw up as you cross the line :)-  

Now if you want to entertain the camera operator, you could smile, pick your nose, flip them off (only if it's friendly), etc.

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From: Mike Rosenfeld
To: Adrian Richardson
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Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....

Try it.  Better yet try it when you lose a race. 

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Adrian Richardson wrote:

When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.
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Dave Roth

>From the perspective of an OBRA official who operates the finish line camera system, when you sit up as you cross the finish line, I can't read your number. It doesn't matter if you are the winner or in 37th place, if you sit up, the camera can't see your number and it creates extra work for the officials trying to place you. So don't sit up as you cross the finish line. If you are the winner, celebrate after the line. If you are in 37th place, keep your hands on the bars until after you cross the line. Then I will have a much better chance of reading your number.

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Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:34:24 -0700
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Subject: [OBRA Chat] Throwing your hands up....

When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.

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Erik Voldengen

No, you're not supposed to. If you were all alone I doubt anyone would
mind. If you were in a field sprint, and you have to ask, the answer is
going to be no.

- Erik

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Adrian Richardson wrote:

> omggggg this is actually a serious question obra..
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>> hehe…just don't be THIS guy
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omggggg this is actually a serious question obra..

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> hehe…just don't be THIS guy
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stephen salter

second place is a perfect time to do some air guitar

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Mike Rosenfeld wrote:

> Try it. Better yet try it when you lose a race.
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>> When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.
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Try it. Better yet try it when you lose a race.

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> When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.
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Adrian Richardson

When you win a race, can you do it or not? I'm confused.