peter staiger
I am also tacticsising right now. Though that is code for sitting in the
hot tub drinking scotch and smoking a cigar. Thank you OBRA chat for
tonight's entertainment. :)
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Matt Savage wrote:
I'm tacticising right now as we speak...! You guys are gonna be so bummed
when you see what I pulled...
Sent from Matt Savage's DynaTac 8000X...
On Jun 6, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Stewart Campbell
wrote:
Can you grab me some while your up?
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*From:* Steven Beardsley
*To:* Mike Rosenfeld
*Cc:* Obra
*Sent:* Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:55 PM
*Subject:* Re: [OBRA Chat] Tactics Question - Negative Racing
Hold on, I need to go get some more popcorn. I'll be back in a sec.
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Mike Rosenfeld wrote:
Sent to the ground..yeah that's not negative :)
I doubt there will be agreement reached....ever.
Haven't been called or implied to be a D-bag in quite some time. Its been
on my list so thanks for helping me check it off.
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:27 PM, J Bravard wrote:
Sorry, Rosenfeld, blocking like you're talking about is the kind of
d-baggery that would get you sent to the ground in some races. Mick is
right, it's not sporting.
On 6/6/13, Jamie Mikami wrote:
> Isn't PIR where all tactics should be tested - to me it should be of
course
>
> you do it at PIR, safe and all your teammates are there. Most of us are
not
>
> going to ever get a chance to race at the big races, so testing out your
> wits/tactics at PIR is the only chance you are going to get, especially
with
>
> a large field in a open space. You can get your workouts in at PIR and
let
>
> me tell you staying in 2nd wheel and jumping hard to keep your spot is a
> workout itself. Plus when they get caught, as most breaks do, it is your
> turn to go and get in a workout, or lead out your sprinter so he can take
> the glory ... again.
>
> I have heard people complain about this for the last 25 years and there is
> always some that see it as negative and some that see it as tactics. I
see
>
> it as tactics and a very easy one to spot and just as easy to beat. So if
> you don't like people going slow in the paceline, point them out to the
> group and don't let them back in. Until they unsafely try and break into
> the paceline, they are just trying to win as much as the people trying to
> chase down the break. Once they are unsafe then have a chat with them and
> if needed point them out to the officials.
>
> For those that don't like it, band together and ride at the front and the
> break will be caught ... again. I personally find it odd that many of the
> people who didn't like me blocking were attacking hard riders who wanted
to
>
> get in the break and are not the best sprinters. I would think these are
> the people who should want people blocking to let the chasers stay away
from
>
> us lazy sprinter types who are just hoping it all comes back so we can mop
> up with the same top 5 sprinters that win every race.
>
> So actually what am I saying ... I prefer to be the lazy sprinter who only
> works the last 200 meters, so I agree no more blocking ... lets pull all
> them breaks back in because sprinters should win everytime!
>
> While maybe negative, I still have fun and enjoy the sport and all the
> tactics that come with it.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mick Walsh"
> To: "Ron Frerichs"
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 11:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tactics Question - Negative Racing
>
>
>> Sorry PIR, you should be attacking your teammates there :-)
>>
>> I
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Mick Walsh wrote:
>>
>>> And blocking at PR????
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "Ron Frerichs "
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm from Mick's generation, so maybe that's why I come down on his side
>>>>
>>>> What I've always liked about bike racing is the protocol (at least
>>>> around tactics - don't make this a doping discussion). Win because
>>>> you're stronger and smarter, not because you're able to get in the way.
>>>>
>>>> But hey, if you feel good about whatever you needed to do to win, then
>>>> congratulations.
>>>>
>>>> Just realize that there will also be situations where you need
>>>> cooperation from another team or rider to get a result. Hopefully its
>>>> not the same people you pissed off last week.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mike Rosenfeld
>>>> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 18:27:09
>>>> To:
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tactics Question - Negative Racing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dude! Really!!! Are you serious??!! Getting involved and messing up
>>>> the chase is unsporting behavior? I am flabbergasted that people
>>>> actually think this. You have to be kidding me.
>>>>
>>>> Attack the chase group? all that does is pull the rest of the pack to
>>>> your teammates!
>>>>
>>>> I know I took a few years off to raise some kids and gain some weight
>>>> but has it changed that much?
>>>>
>>>> Has the helicopter parent generation of kids finally started racing
>>>> bikes. If I offend them by disrupting their chase group in a race, are
>>>>
>>>> their mommies and daddies going to give me a stern talking too.
>>>>
>>>> Should OBRA be waiting at the end of race with a hearty pat on the back
>>>>
>>>> and a green participation ribbon?
>>>>
>>>> Its a race...a competition...we might as well not have teams. What
good
>>>>
>>>> is a team if they are going to just sit at the back and let the rest of
>>>>
>>>> the group catch their team mates.
>>>>
>>>> Wow...just wow. I am now depressed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Mick Walsh >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But you should respect your competition, you can disrupt their efforts
>>>> by attacking when they are trying to chase if you choose.
>>>> Getting involved in trying to mess up the chase is unsporting behavior
>>>> IMHO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Mike Rosenfeld >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope...cause its all about perspective. Its just a race. You let it
go
>>>>
>>>> when you cross the line. Its not like I am yelling crap at other
racers
>>>>
>>>> and spitting on them ....not intentionally mind you....little bits foam
>>>>
>>>> tend to go flying.
>>>>
>>>> Competition is just a humane war. Someone has to win. Its not about
>>>> making sure everyone gets a ribbon at the of the day for participation.
>>>>
>>>> Last time I checked bike racing is a sport. And in sports you play to
>>>> win. Not to make sure the other team or teams feel good about their
>>>> efforts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------
>>>> From: Erik Voldengen
>>>> Sent: 6/6/2013 10:45 AM
>>>> Cc: Obra
>>>> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Tactics Question - Negative Racing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you aren't on my team while racing you are the enemy, I hate you, I
>>>> loath you, I despise your very existence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But it's not negative. Got it.
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