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Pat Sagers

2003-05-08

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I'm sure there is some logic behind this, though nothing comes to mind. I

agree too that this bill will not affect the strained relationship autos

have with bikes. Whenever I come to a 4 way I try to time my turn through

if there are multiple cars there. Stopping and taking my shoe off the pedal

slows down the 4 way stop rhythm. But then again sometimes motorists don't

think your ever stopped until you practically dismount your bike. Then

others wait until you completely stop with one foot on the ground and then

wave you through. That is most irritating to me. I think the positive

thing here is not getting a ticket when I blow through an empty

intersection.

Pat

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'Zactly. I'm going to do what I've always done. Stop when it's the

right/safe thing to do, roll through when I can, and assume that anything

with

4 or more wheels is going to do it's level best to kill me.

You can argue all you want about this bill being a

waste of the legislatures time and I wouldn't

disagree. But to say it will have any impact on

accidents or drivers perception of cyclists is crazy.

This bill won't effect in the slightest bit how people

cycle. We will all continue to cycle as we always

have, all of us. Those who stop fully at stop signs

(are there any?) will continue to do so and those who

just slow down, look and roll through will also

continue. Don't get so worked up over it.

Ken Finch

--- edwardw-@aol.com wrote:

I don't know what people are thinking when they send

bills like this to

Salem. This has to be the one of the dumb ones.

Don't we as riders have

enough trouble with cars now without this bill. We

already ask drivers to

watch out for us now and now we ask even more. To

come to a stop sign and not

come to complete stop just because you don't want

get out of your clip

piddles is just being lazy.

I'm not looking forward to seeing all the people

being hit by cars in the

chat room. Stop and think about how dumb this bill

really is.

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I'm sure there is some logic behind this, though nothing comes to mind. I agree too that this bill will not affect the strained relationship autos have with bikes. Whenever I come to a 4 way I try to time my turn through if there are multiple cars there. Stopping and taking my shoe off the pedal slows down the 4 way stop rhythm. But then again sometimes motorists don't think your ever stopped until you practically dismount your bike. Then others wait until you completely stop with one foot on the ground and then wave you through. That is most irritating to me. I think the positive thing here is not getting a ticket when I blow through an empty intersection.

Pat



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'Zactly. I'm going to do what I've always done. Stop when it's the 

 right/safe thing to do, roll through when I can, and assume that anything with 

 4 or more wheels is going to do it's level best to kill me.



> You can argue all you want about this bill being a

 > waste of the legislatures time and I wouldn't

 > disagree. But to say it will have any impact on

 > accidents or drivers perception of cyclists is crazy.

 > This bill won't effect in the slightest bit how people

 > cycle. We will all continue to cycle as we always

 > have, all of us. Those who stop fully at stop signs

 > (are there any?) will continue to do so and those who

 > just slow down, look and roll through will also

 > continue. Don't get so worked up over it.

 > 

 > Ken Finch

 > 

 > --- edwardw-@aol.com wrote:

 > > I don't know what people are thinking when they send

 > > bills like this to 

 > > Salem. This has to be the one of the dumb ones.

 > > Don't we as riders have 

 > > enough trouble with cars now without this bill. We

 > > already ask drivers to 

 > > watch out for us now and now we ask even more. To

 > > come to a stop sign and not 

 > > come to complete stop just because you don't want

 > > get out of your clip 

 > > piddles is just being lazy. 

 > > I'm not looking forward to seeing all the people

 > > being hit by cars in the 

 > > chat room. Stop and think about how dumb this bill

 > > really is.

 > > 

 > > To respond to the whole group send to

 > > ob-@topica.com.

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 > >

 > > 

 > > 

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john_-@attbi.com

2003-05-07

'Zactly. I'm going to do what I've always done. Stop when it's the

right/safe thing to do, roll through when I can, and assume that anything with

4 or more wheels is going to do it's level best to kill me.

You can argue all you want about this bill being a

waste of the legislatures time and I wouldn't

disagree. But to say it will have any impact on

accidents or drivers perception of cyclists is crazy.

This bill won't effect in the slightest bit how people

cycle. We will all continue to cycle as we always

have, all of us. Those who stop fully at stop signs

(are there any?) will continue to do so and those who

just slow down, look and roll through will also

continue. Don't get so worked up over it.

Ken Finch

--- edwardw-@aol.com wrote:

I don't know what people are thinking when they send

bills like this to

Salem. This has to be the one of the dumb ones.

Don't we as riders have

enough trouble with cars now without this bill. We

already ask drivers to

watch out for us now and now we ask even more. To

come to a stop sign and not

come to complete stop just because you don't want

get out of your clip

piddles is just being lazy.

I'm not looking forward to seeing all the people

being hit by cars in the

chat room. Stop and think about how dumb this bill

really is.

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Ken Finch

2003-05-07

You can argue all you want about this bill being a

waste of the legislatures time and I wouldn't

disagree. But to say it will have any impact on

accidents or drivers perception of cyclists is crazy.

This bill won't effect in the slightest bit how people

cycle. We will all continue to cycle as we always

have, all of us. Those who stop fully at stop signs

(are there any?) will continue to do so and those who

just slow down, look and roll through will also

continue. Don't get so worked up over it.

Ken Finch

--- edwardw-@aol.com wrote:

I don't know what people are thinking when they send

bills like this to

Salem. This has to be the one of the dumb ones.

Don't we as riders have

enough trouble with cars now without this bill. We

already ask drivers to

watch out for us now and now we ask even more. To

come to a stop sign and not

come to complete stop just because you don't want

get out of your clip

piddles is just being lazy.

I'm not looking forward to seeing all the people

being hit by cars in the

chat room. Stop and think about how dumb this bill

really is.

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Edwardw-@aol.com

2003-05-07

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I don't know what people are thinking when they send bills like this to

Salem. This has to be the one of the dumb ones. Don't we as riders have

enough trouble with cars now without this bill. We already ask drivers to

watch out for us now and now we ask even more. To come to a stop sign and not

come to complete stop just because you don't want get out of your clip

piddles is just being lazy.

I'm not looking forward to seeing all the people being hit by cars in the

chat room. Stop and think about how dumb this bill really is.

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