Wheel cover at USAC TT Masters Nats?

anklebiter456

2013-08-29

Its pretty clear no covers are allowed.  The exceptions are listed below. If you want you can ask Shawn as well.  He is pretty responsive.
 
http://www.usacycling.org/2013/masters-road-nationals
 
Eligibility, Rules, & Requirements

 
Masters-Road-Rules-Requirements.1. BICYCLE REGULATIONS: In general, the regulations for bicycles are those of the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI). Please refer to the UCI rule book: www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTkzNg&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=34033&LangId=1. However, the following exceptions will be made: 
 There will be no requirement that the handlebars be below the saddle.
 There will not be strict enforcement of the 3/1 rule. The following bicycles are therefore considered legal for masters national championships in 2013: If the handlebars are at 75 cm extension or less, there will be no measurement of the 5 cm rule for saddle position. If the handlebars are between 75-80 cm extension, then the saddle must be at the 5 cm behind vertical position. o Specialized Transition o Specialized Shiv o Giant Trinity o
 All other UCI rules will be enforced, such as minimum weight of 6.8 kg, basic bicycle design based on a double triangle (no softrides), maximum handlebar extension of 75cm, no wheel covers, standard wheels for massed start races.For any other bicycle that is not UCI legal due to the 3/1 rule, please contact USA Cycling Technical Director, Shawn Farrell (sfarrell@usacycling.org) to make sure it is legal for this event.
 
Technical Guide
 
Let's put this rest.
 
AP
 

From: Mike Murray
To: 'Jeff Hamlin'
Cc: 'OBRA' ; 'Joe Tysoe'
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Wheel cover at USAC TT Masters Nats?

OBRA rules are very liberal.  You can ride different sized wheels, use body positions that are not UCI legal, etc.  They idea is to try to be inclusive.  Ride what you brung.  More bikes more better.
 
USAC rules are somewhat more strict, following UCI rules but not as strictly.  Wheel fairings (covers) are specifically allowed where they are not allowed under UCI rules.
 
UCI rules are most strict, specifying weight of bike, extension of bars, etc.
 
The catch is the following USAC rule:
 
1I(e) Bicycles must meet current UCI technical regulations at events that select 17-18, U23 and Elite riders for international competition or national teams. All bicycles used in National Championships (for age 17 and older riders) and NRC races must comply with the current UCI regulations. At the discretion of USA Cycling, UCI rules may be adopted or modified for Masters National Championships.
 
All of these 3 rule sets are available on line.
 
I should point out that the application and enforcement of these rules has historically been fairly capricious.  The above rules allow them to be even more so for Masters Nationals.
 
Mike Murray
 
From:Jeff Hamlin [mailto:jeffhamlin2@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 07:41
To: mike.murray@obra.org
Cc: Joe Tysoe; Michael Larsen; OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Wheel cover at USAC TT Masters Nats?
 
I used a wheel cover (from WheelBuilder) last year and this but for OBRA TT's only.  Never received any flack.   I was told by a Cat 1 friend that they're "OBRA legal, UCI illegal", which is what I assume is what USAC would conform to.  
 
It's a bit of a pain in that you still have to take the cassette off in order to remove/attach it.
 
...for what it's worth.
 
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
I may be wrong as I don't pay that much attention to USAC things but I
believe that they might be legal for everything except Nationals as
Nationals are run under UCI rules.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Tysoe
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 22:07
To: Michael Larsen
Cc: OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Wheel cover at USAC TT Masters Nats?
Seems it's allowed per USAC's rules (below), I'm just trying to save myself
a headache of bringing it out and having to swap rear wheels last minute:

b) There may be no protective shield, fairing, or other device on any part
of the bicycle, which has the effect of reducing air resistance except that
spoke covers may be used.
[https://s3.amazonaws.com/...ulebook-Chapter1.pdf]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Michael Larsen
wrote:
> Can you let us all know on-line?
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Joe Tysoe wrote:
>
>> Curious if anybody got any flac from officials for using a wheel cover on
the rear wheel last year? The USAC rule book seems to indicate it's allowed
but who knows.
>>
>> Lemme know off-line.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
> Michael Larsen
> Larsen Performance Coaching
> 303.709.3888
>
>
>
>
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Mike Murray

2013-08-29

OBRA rules are very liberal. You can ride different sized wheels, use body
positions that are not UCI legal, etc. They idea is to try to be inclusive.
Ride what you brung. More bikes more better.

USAC rules are somewhat more strict, following UCI rules but not as
strictly. Wheel fairings (covers) are specifically allowed where they are
not allowed under UCI rules.

UCI rules are most strict, specifying weight of bike, extension of bars,
etc.

The catch is the following USAC rule:

1I(e) Bicycles must meet current UCI technical regulations at events that
select 17-18, U23 and Elite riders for international competition or national
teams. All bicycles used in National Championships (for age 17 and older
riders) and NRC races must comply with the current UCI regulations. At the
discretion of USA Cycling, UCI rules may be adopted or modified for Masters
National Championships.

All of these 3 rule sets are available on line.

I should point out that the application and enforcement of these rules has
historically been fairly capricious. The above rules allow them to be even
more so for Masters Nationals.

Mike Murray

From: Jeff Hamlin [mailto:jeffhamlin2@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 07:41
To: mike.murray@obra.org
Cc: Joe Tysoe; Michael Larsen; OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Wheel cover at USAC TT Masters Nats?

I used a wheel cover (from WheelBuilder) last year and this but for OBRA
TT's only. Never received any flack. I was told by a Cat 1 friend that
they're "OBRA legal, UCI illegal", which is what I assume is what USAC would
conform to.

It's a bit of a pain in that you still have to take the cassette off in
order to remove/attach it.

...for what it's worth.

On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Mike Murray wrote:

I may be wrong as I don't pay that much attention to USAC things but I
believe that they might be legal for everything except Nationals as
Nationals are run under UCI rules.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Tysoe
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 22:07
To: Michael Larsen
Cc: OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Wheel cover at USAC TT Masters Nats?

Seems it's allowed per USAC's rules (below), I'm just trying to save myself
a headache of bringing it out and having to swap rear wheels last minute:

b) There may be no protective shield, fairing, or other device on any part
of the bicycle, which has the effect of reducing air resistance except that
spoke covers may be used.
[https://s3.amazonaws.com/...ulebook-Chapter1.pdf]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Michael Larsen
wrote:
> Can you let us all know on-line?
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Joe Tysoe wrote:
>
>> Curious if anybody got any flac from officials for using a wheel cover on
the rear wheel last year? The USAC rule book seems to indicate it's allowed
but who knows.
>>
>> Lemme know off-line.
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
> Michael Larsen
> Larsen Performance Coaching
> 303.709.3888
>
>
>
>
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Joe Tysoe

2013-08-29

I shot Shawn Farrell a note yesterday afternoon and he responded:

"Wheel covers are not allowed as with the specific exceptions we make
against the UCI rules, the other UCI rules are in force and wheel
covers are not allowed as they offer a purely aerodynamic benefit that
are not structural in nature.

best wishes,

Shawn Farrell

Technical Director

USA Cycling"

On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
> I may be wrong as I don't pay that much attention to USAC things but I
> believe that they might be legal for everything except Nationals as
> Nationals are run under UCI rules.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Joe Tysoe
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 22:07
> To: Michael Larsen
> Cc: OBRA
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Wheel cover at USAC TT Masters Nats?
>
> Seems it's allowed per USAC's rules (below), I'm just trying to save myself
> a headache of bringing it out and having to swap rear wheels last minute:
>
> b) There may be no protective shield, fairing, or other device on any part
> of the bicycle, which has the effect of reducing air resistance except that
> spoke covers may be used.
> [https://s3.amazonaws.com/...ulebook-Chapter1.pdf]
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Michael Larsen
> wrote:
>> Can you let us all know on-line?
>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Joe Tysoe wrote:
>>
>>> Curious if anybody got any flac from officials for using a wheel cover on
> the rear wheel last year? The USAC rule book seems to indicate it's allowed
> but who knows.
>>>
>>> Lemme know off-line.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OBRA mailing list
>>> obra@list.obra.org
>>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>>
>> Michael Larsen
>> Larsen Performance Coaching
>> 303.709.3888
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>


Jeff Hamlin

2013-08-29

I used a wheel cover (from WheelBuilder) last year and this but for OBRA
TT's only. Never received any flack. I was told by a Cat 1 friend that
they're "OBRA legal, UCI illegal", which is what I assume is what USAC
would conform to.

It's a bit of a pain in that you still have to take the cassette off in
order to remove/attach it.

...for what it's worth.

On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Mike Murray wrote:

> I may be wrong as I don't pay that much attention to USAC things but I
> believe that they might be legal for everything except Nationals as
> Nationals are run under UCI rules.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
> Behalf Of Joe Tysoe
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 22:07
> To: Michael Larsen
> Cc: OBRA
> Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Wheel cover at USAC TT Masters Nats?
>
> Seems it's allowed per USAC's rules (below), I'm just trying to save myself
> a headache of bringing it out and having to swap rear wheels last minute:
>
> b) There may be no protective shield, fairing, or other device on any part
> of the bicycle, which has the effect of reducing air resistance except that
> spoke covers may be used.
> [https://s3.amazonaws.com/...ulebook-Chapter1.pdf]
>
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Michael Larsen
> wrote:
> > Can you let us all know on-line?
> > On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Joe Tysoe wrote:
> >
> >> Curious if anybody got any flac from officials for using a wheel cover
> on
> the rear wheel last year? The USAC rule book seems to indicate it's allowed
> but who knows.
> >>
> >> Lemme know off-line.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> OBRA mailing list
> >> obra@list.obra.org
> >> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> >> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
> >
> > Michael Larsen
> > Larsen Performance Coaching
> > 303.709.3888
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> obra@list.obra.org
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>
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>


Mike Murray

2013-08-29

I may be wrong as I don't pay that much attention to USAC things but I
believe that they might be legal for everything except Nationals as
Nationals are run under UCI rules.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Tysoe
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 22:07
To: Michael Larsen
Cc: OBRA
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Wheel cover at USAC TT Masters Nats?

Seems it's allowed per USAC's rules (below), I'm just trying to save myself
a headache of bringing it out and having to swap rear wheels last minute:

b) There may be no protective shield, fairing, or other device on any part
of the bicycle, which has the effect of reducing air resistance except that
spoke covers may be used.
[https://s3.amazonaws.com/...ulebook-Chapter1.pdf]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Michael Larsen
wrote:
> Can you let us all know on-line?
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Joe Tysoe wrote:
>
>> Curious if anybody got any flac from officials for using a wheel cover on
the rear wheel last year? The USAC rule book seems to indicate it's allowed
but who knows.
>>
>> Lemme know off-line.
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
> Michael Larsen
> Larsen Performance Coaching
> 303.709.3888
>
>
>
>
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Brian Duhon

2013-08-29

Easiest thing to do to email Shawn Farrell at USAC. He is responsive to email and provides the final word on what is and isn't allowed.

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Joe Tysoe

2013-08-29

Seems it's allowed per USAC's rules (below), I'm just trying to save
myself a headache of bringing it out and having to swap rear wheels
last minute:

b) There may be no protective shield, fairing, or other device on any
part of the bicycle, which has the effect of reducing air resistance
except that spoke covers may be used.
[https://s3.amazonaws.com/...ulebook-Chapter1.pdf]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Michael Larsen
wrote:
> Can you let us all know on-line?
> On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Joe Tysoe wrote:
>
>> Curious if anybody got any flac from officials for using a wheel cover on the rear wheel last year? The USAC rule book seems to indicate it's allowed but who knows.
>>
>> Lemme know off-line.
>> _______________________________________________
>> OBRA mailing list
>> obra@list.obra.org
>> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
>> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org
>
> Michael Larsen
> Larsen Performance Coaching
> 303.709.3888
>
>
>
>


Michael Larsen

2013-08-29

Can you let us all know on-line?
On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Joe Tysoe wrote:

> Curious if anybody got any flac from officials for using a wheel cover on the rear wheel last year? The USAC rule book seems to indicate it's allowed but who knows.
>
> Lemme know off-line.
> _______________________________________________
> OBRA mailing list
> obra@list.obra.org
> http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra
> Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org

Michael Larsen
Larsen Performance Coaching
303.709.3888


Joe Tysoe

2013-08-29

Curious if anybody got any flac from officials for using a wheel cover on
the rear wheel last year? The USAC rule book seems to indicate it's allowed
but who knows.

Lemme know off-line.