Rick Johnson
uncompetitive in higher classes should be allowed or encouraged to
indefinitely persist in impeding the racers that are legitimately
in those higher classes. It is unfair to the riders that have
earned their standing there. While it may not be an immediate
problem for smaller events in large ones it creates many obvious
problems.
Rick Johnson
Bend, Oregon
On 9/9/2013 4:26 PM, Josh Spivey wrote:
Re: [OBRA Chat] Cyclocross category- FYI
This seems really easy to fix. If a
rider races two categories and scores any points in the higher
category, it’s an automatic upgrade to the highest category of
the two and relegation in the lower category to the first
position out of the points. Call it a sandbagger clause.
That’s not derogatory. And any points will now be accumulating
in the higher category for the next upgrade. This encourages
people to race more, get’s people moving up to a category they
can be competitive in and lets the rest of the riders in the
lower categories score the points they desperately want and
deserve. If somebody wants to race C’s B’s and A’s, then go
for it! But if you score points in the A’s, be ready for a
weekly thrashing! Once a rider is upgraded, you can’t drop
back down.
If a rider rides both categories and scores no points, then
just keep racing all the categories you want. It’s just a
great workout at that point!!
josh
On 9/8/13 7:41 PM, "Candi Murray" <cmurray@obra.org>
wrote:
Stewart
This problem comes up every year. It is the job of the
OBRA staff to ensure fair and equal competition. We cannot
make any upgrade decision based on a separate series that
spans the entire ccx season.
Your comment about the road category does not make any
sense to me because you are absolutely not allowed to move
categories without the properly earned upgrade. The
problem I have been dealing with this week is two riders
have raced in two different categories and scored points
in each. How is that fair to the other riders in the lower
category?
Candi
From:
Stewart Campbell [mailto:stewartcycling@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:27 PM
To: Steve Westberg; cmurray@obra.org
Cc: obra@list.obra.org
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cyclocross category- FYI
Hey Steve,
Did you get a response to your
posting? I completely agree with you. My thought is if
your registered as a Beginner then race any higher cat, you
still can race as a beginner. Kinda like road, you can be a
cat 4, but race with a higher cat if you think you can hang.
I do understand that to eliminate sandbaggin, there is
forced upgrades.
Candi, if your reading this...how do
you try to win the GPET series if you are forced to upgrade
during the series. Under that theory, to win the series you
have to place 5-10th place in every race so you're not
forced to upgrade.
-Stewart
From:
Steve Westberg <rkntoy@yahoo.com>
To: "cmurray@obra.org" <cmurray@obra.org>
Cc: "obra@list.obra.org" <obra@list.obra.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Cyclocross category- FYI
Hi Candi,
I would like to clarify this a
bit.
The category rules say the
following about upgrading/downgrading:
"Cyclocross categories are
self-selected except for mandatory upgrades."
I have raced Master C in the past
and I am slow so I have scored no upgrade points - ever.
I have raced Master B this year so far so that I did
not have to leave Bend so early - I have scored no
upgrade points (43rd and 54th so far). I was planning
on riding Master C later in the year again.
As I have no mandatory upgrades it
looks like under the rules I should be able to
self-select.
Steve Westberg
Subject
Cyclocross category- FYI
Date
9/8/2013 08:07 AM
From
Candi Murray <cmurr..@obra.org>
I am working on this week's
upgrade list and have found that a few people
believe that they can ride in multiple ability
categories. This is untrue.
If you are a B you cannot ride
in a C or A category in addition. My
philosophy has been that if you pick a higher category
then that is where
you must remain.
You could ride in the masters
version or the Singlespeeds if you felt the
need for multiple rides.
If you are unclear on this,
please send me a note ;-)
Candi
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