David Kerchinsky

Maybe it is a good idea to take a decent deposit, but if the damage is found

later like in the case of the tent, what can you do?



I think it would be the responsible adult thing to do to report the damage

or loss instead of covering it up as it appears with the tent. Not cool in

my book. I think Mike would be grateful if you did fess up and told him you

broke it and that you would pay for the damage.



I would like to see the money that OBRA makes go into better racing than

into equipment repair.







David Kerchinsky

North River Racing

Camas Day Races July 27 & Aug 3

Southwest Washington's Cycling team!

http://www.northriverracing.org











 From: mike.m-@obra.org

Reply-To: mike.m-@obra.org

To: OBRA Remailer <ob-@topica.com>

Subject: [OBRA Chat] OBRA equipment again

Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:27:24 -0700



Continuing in the theme of last week's note about lost signs and radios....



Yesterday when the people putting on the Swan Island Crit tried to open on

of the OBRA E-Z Up tents they found that it was broken. Fortunately Swan

Island had gotten more tents then they needed so they were not completely

stiffed.



Some of the bolts that attach the canopy to the frame had been removed. A

bolt that attaches the frame to the leg has been replaced with a longer

bolt, possible one of the canopy bolts. 3 of the cross members were broken

and then large wads of duct tape were wrapped around the broken frame

members.



It is unclear when all this happened but it is probably recently. Since we

were not notified we only found out about it the next time someone

attempted

to use the tent. Repair of this will not only cost money but it will take

the tent out of service while parts are ordered. This is particularly a

problem with a stage race coming up this weekend since stage races use a

lot

of equipment. In addition, someone needs to do the work of getting it

repaired; finding the broken tent, figuring out which parts are broken,

ordering parts, installing parts, etc. Clearly it would be best if the

responsible party were to fess up immediately rather than wrapping duct

tape

around it, stuffing it in the bag and hoping no one notices. At the very

least it would be good if the responsible party would step up at this point

to cover the cost of repair.



The tents that OBRA has are made by E-Z Up. As the name implies, they are

easy to set up and take down. They do not require any disassembly. It

does, however, take at least 2 people to put them up and take them down.

We

have purchased the more costly and more sturdy models but they can still be

easily broken if not used properly. Forcing them open or closed with only

one person is an easy way to break the frame members. If you see someone

trying to do that please offer assistance. If you do not know how to

operate the tents then get someone to show you how.



Once again, this equipment belongs to the cycling community. If we are to

keep costs down we need to do our best to take care of our stuff. We all

need to participate in this.



Mike Murray



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Candi:

Right, my point about the expense is that a very basic promo set up would be

$5,000 per club/promoter, a cost most clubs/promoters cannot afford, so we

should take care of the equipment we have.



I believe the person(s) responsible for damaging OBRA equipment should fess

up so that no covert action is necessary to find out. Afterall, upon

discovery, the perpetrator(s) will be forced to run the gauntlet of tubular

tire wielding road rage hardened bicycle racers... NAKED!



So fess up for your own good.



Richard Randleman

Candi Murray/Oregon Bicycle Racing Assn

Richard



We have so much more than $5000 in equipment. Just the road signs are

$10,000. then count in 3 video systems and the radio's, tents, photo finish

camera, fencing, pa systems etc etc etc we are into mega bucks. Every race

organizer can have any or all of the equipment for a simple check out fee of

$35 and then $1 per rider per day. We have tried to count it back in every

race but it is a tedious job and while it starts out all gang busters the

people required to do that slack off as the time goes by. We require each

promoter to replace of pay to replace any item lost or broken. That is why

this is particularly frustrating because they just tucked the tent back into

the bag and did not say anything. When the equipment was returned the tent

was counted in but was not set up again until yesterday. - Du-oh and it is

broken.

I hope that we can install a sense of ownership in all the members to help

take care of the equipment or we will be required to purchase more and then

that will increase our fees.



candi







-----Original Message-----

From: snjr [mailto:sn-@charter.net]

Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 4:10 PM

To: mike.m-@obra.org; OBRA Remailer

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] OBRA equipment again





Mike and All:



The equipment care problem is remarkable to me. OBRA is very fortunate to

possess this equipment to keep the cost of racing down and safe. It will be

a real shame if a few irresponsible parties ruin it for everyone. I

encourage the OBRA board to consider charging a surcharge to each promoter

to cover the cost of an individual to checkout and receive OBRA equipment.

During receipt of equipment, it could be inspected.



I also encourage OBRA to obtain a refundable deposit (if not done already)

that could be used to repair or replace equipment lost or damaged.



I don't know what OBRA has invested in it's promo equipment but I had over

$5,000 invested in a basic promo set up including a trailer, generator, and

sound system. If clubs don't want to expend that kind of money to put on a

few races a year, we should take better care of OUR equipment.



Richard Randleman



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snjr

Mike and All:



The equipment care problem is remarkable to me. OBRA is very fortunate to

possess this equipment to keep the cost of racing down and safe. It will be

a real shame if a few irresponsible parties ruin it for everyone. I

encourage the OBRA board to consider charging a surcharge to each promoter

to cover the cost of an individual to checkout and receive OBRA equipment.

During receipt of equipment, it could be inspected.



I also encourage OBRA to obtain a refundable deposit (if not done already)

that could be used to repair or replace equipment lost or damaged.



I don't know what OBRA has invested in it's promo equipment but I had over

$5,000 invested in a basic promo set up including a trailer, generator, and

sound system. If clubs don't want to expend that kind of money to put on a

few races a year, we should take better care of OUR equipment.



Richard Randleman

mike.m-@obra.org

Continuing in the theme of last week's note about lost signs and radios....



Yesterday when the people putting on the Swan Island Crit tried to open on

of the OBRA E-Z Up tents they found that it was broken. Fortunately Swan

Island had gotten more tents then they needed so they were not completely

stiffed.



Some of the bolts that attach the canopy to the frame had been removed. A

bolt that attaches the frame to the leg has been replaced with a longer

bolt, possible one of the canopy bolts. 3 of the cross members were broken

and then large wads of duct tape were wrapped around the broken frame

members.



It is unclear when all this happened but it is probably recently. Since we

were not notified we only found out about it the next time someone attempted

to use the tent. Repair of this will not only cost money but it will take

the tent out of service while parts are ordered. This is particularly a

problem with a stage race coming up this weekend since stage races use a lot

of equipment. In addition, someone needs to do the work of getting it

repaired; finding the broken tent, figuring out which parts are broken,

ordering parts, installing parts, etc. Clearly it would be best if the

responsible party were to fess up immediately rather than wrapping duct tape

around it, stuffing it in the bag and hoping no one notices. At the very

least it would be good if the responsible party would step up at this point

to cover the cost of repair.



The tents that OBRA has are made by E-Z Up. As the name implies, they are

easy to set up and take down. They do not require any disassembly. It

does, however, take at least 2 people to put them up and take them down. We

have purchased the more costly and more sturdy models but they can still be

easily broken if not used properly. Forcing them open or closed with only

one person is an easy way to break the frame members. If you see someone

trying to do that please offer assistance. If you do not know how to

operate the tents then get someone to show you how.



Once again, this equipment belongs to the cycling community. If we are to

keep costs down we need to do our best to take care of our stuff. We all

need to participate in this.



Mike Murray