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blame the victim
that's nice
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan H. [mailto:br-@politesociety.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:53 PM
To: ob-@topica.com
Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] crazy drivers
First, I know there a FEW drivers that are just spoiling for a fight no
matter what. They ARE out there. I'm NOT saying that anyone provoked the
driver this thread is about. I don't know. I was not there. But I have to
wonder why so many cyclists have drivers jump out of their cars and "go off"
for no reason. When I was a youngster [under 30] it seems it happened more
often usually because me or someone in my group responded to a yell, a close
drive by, a thrown object or whatever with a single digit salute.
Since I have started carrying a weapon, [I did NOT say gun] I have begun to
let those idiocies slide with no response from me so as not to escalate a
situation to the point where I might actually have to use it. The result
has been [MOST of the time] that the offending driver just keeps going and
that's the last I see of them.
When someone in a car does something stupid toward you maybe the best course
of action is no action [or reaction] usually the episode ends there and
nothing happens. You finish your ride and cheat death again to ride another
day.
I know of a former racer that was slapped from behind by an "A"hole in a
pick up [why is it always a pick up?] his response was the afore mentioned
salute. The result was that the "A"hole and his two pals left him in the
ditch unconscious and bleeding. He did win a settlement but consider that
if he had simply recorded the license number without reacting he still might
have won a settlement only without the bleeding in the ditch part. [oh, and
stomped bike too.]
Are you doing NOTHING to upset drivers? Think about it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Becky and Nikos <mailto:niko-@dslnorthwest.net>
To: ob-@topica.com <mailto:ob-@topica.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:28 PM
Subject: [OBRA Chat] crazy drivers
We could make a database, and include names, lic. plate numbers and
descriptions of cars and idiots involved, only if there is a police report
involved. I had a right mirror miss me by inches while I was in the bike
lane a few years ago and the ensuing episode was reported to the police
(long story). I have name, car and mug shot of idiot on file. Turned out the
driver had a criminal record; nothing happened to him.
Nikos
As much as I am the first one who wants to see justice brought to menacing
drivers, I am not sure that without checks and balances, this is a good
idea.
Hypothetically, someone with a grudge could seek revenge by reporting a
ficticious incident. I am not sure if it would do any damage, but certainly
it is a platform >for internet slander and misinformation.
More importantly, what I perceive as irresponsible driving may not be
illegal, nor may it be the perceptions of others.
Again, this would be a well intentioned effort to bring public attention to
some of the miscreants on the road, but the devil is in the details.
Just my thoughts.
-r
BTW, I was thinking about starting a public database of such drivers, with
details on the vehicle, lic plate and driver. It would be viewable by
anyone.
Any thoughts?
Evan
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<DIV><SPAN class=956530714-28052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>blame
the victim</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=956530714-28052003><SPAN class=643100814-28052003><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>that's nice</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dan H.
[mailto:br-@politesociety.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:53
PM<BR><B>To:</B> ob-@topica.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OBRA Chat] crazy
drivers<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>First, I know there a FEW drivers that are just
spoiling for a fight no matter what. They ARE out there. I'm NOT saying that
anyone provoked the driver this thread is about. I don't know. I was not
there. But I have to wonder why so many cyclists have drivers jump out of
their cars and "go off" for no reason. When I was a youngster [under 30]
it seems it happened more often usually because me or someone in my group
responded to a yell, a close drive by, a thrown object or whatever with a
single digit salute.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Since I have started carrying a weapon, [I
did NOT say gun] I have begun to let those idiocies slide with no
response from me so as not to escalate a situation to the point where I might
actually have to use it. The result has been [MOST of the time] that the
offending driver just keeps going and that's the last I see of
them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When someone in a car does something stupid
toward you maybe the best course of action is no action [or reaction] usually
the episode ends there and nothing happens. You finish your ride
and cheat death again to ride another day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know of a former racer that was slapped from
behind by an "A"hole in a pick up [why is it always a pick up?] his response
was the afore mentioned salute. The result was that the "A"hole and his
two pals left him in the ditch unconscious and bleeding. He did win a
settlement but consider that if he had simply recorded the license number
without reacting he still might have won a settlement only without the
bleeding in the ditch part. [oh, and stomped bike too.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Are you doing NOTHING to upset drivers?
Think about it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=n-@dslnorthwest.net
href="mailto:niko-@dslnorthwest.net">Becky and Nikos</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title-@topica.com
href="mailto:ob-@topica.com">ob-@topica.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:28
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [OBRA Chat] crazy
drivers</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We could make a database, and include names,
lic. plate numbers and descriptions of cars and idiots involved, only if
there is a police report involved. I had a right mirror miss me by inches
while I was in the bike lane a few years ago and the ensuing episode was
reported to the police (long story). I have name, car and mug shot of idiot
on file. Turned out the driver had a criminal record; nothing happened to
him.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nikos</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>>As much
as I am the first one who wants to see justice brought to menacing drivers,
I am not sure that without checks and balances, this is a good
idea.<BR>><BR>>Hypothetically, someone with a grudge could seek
revenge by reporting a ficticious incident. I am not sure if it would do any
damage, but certainly it is a platform >for internet slander and
misinformation.<BR>><BR>>More importantly, what I perceive as
irresponsible driving may not be illegal, nor may it be the perceptions of
others.<BR>><BR>>Again, this would be a well intentioned effort to
bring public attention to some of the miscreants on the road, but the devil
is in the details.<BR>><BR>>Just my
thoughts.<BR>><BR>>-r</FONT><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>> BTW, I
was thinking about starting a public database of such drivers, with<BR>>
details on the vehicle, lic plate and driver. It would be viewable by
anyone.<BR>> Any thoughts?<BR>><BR>> Evan</FONT><BR></DIV></FONT><PRE>To respond to the whole group send to ob-@topica.com.
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