OBRA: OBRA Chat: Indoor Velodrome??

Chris Rycewicz

2006-01-31

Oh, I thought you meant lance coffel.

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-----Original Message-----

From: Thomas Hoffman [mailto:t.hoff-@verizon.net]

Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:01 AM

To: cmur-@obra.org; ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

Hmmm..... Maybe they could feature sexy hard body racers and Discovery

channel can do a reality TV show based on the racers hosted by Lance!

See

the TV show will promote the races, taking place in Oregon, where you

have

to go in order to bet on your favorite racers at the Indian Casino! How

can

Governor Ted say no! I wonder if Kitzhaber will get on board if the

states

share goes to Health Care?

Indian Casinos, Sexy Hard body Kerin Racers, and Lance Armstrong. WOW! I

can

Feel the Synergy!

I think this could really work! The show will need Talent for the races,

so

everybody better Hit the Gym! And better find a good Waxing Parlor, some

of

you are going to need it!

I think the record shows that I did come up with the Indian Casino Idea

first, so I get dibs on the "Created By" Credit for the TV show.

Tom

-----Original Message-----

From: cmur-@obra.org [mailto:cmur-@obra.org]

Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:42 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

Come on guys, if the horse racing program in Portland was not self

sustaining, how can betting on bikes works?

-----Original Message-----

From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:31 AM

To: sbr-@stevebrowncompany.com; toka-@ix.netcom.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

Grand Ron has been the most interested.

From: Steve Brown <sbr-@stevebrowncompany.com>

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To: toka-@ix.netcom.com

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Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:02:46 -0800

Keith,

Thats what I'm talking about. Does anyone know anyone at any of

the

Tribes?

Steve Brown

On Jan 30, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Keith A. Prior wrote:

We gotta do what the Japanese do.

Make it interesting!!

Were talking GAMBLING baby!

Oregon is all about pulling in the revenues any way it can!

Someone should pitch it to the Native Tribes and the crooks in Salem!

-Keith

-----Original Message-----

From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:05 AM

To: RCJoh-@attglobal.net; mc-@gorge.net

Cc: ob-@topica.com; mike.m-@obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

I think what is missing is what europeans already know, as much fun as

a

road race can be, it pales in comparison to the spectator friendly

confines

of a velodrome. At best if you were part of a Tour team or press corps

you

might get to watch some or most of the action. one has only to look at

Madison Square Garden circa 1905 to see this sport brought the action

to

the

fan. I think in terms of athlete commitment the US is falling behind

the

world simply because of a lack of marketing a global sport. regardless

of

past attempts, in sport/marketing timing is everything this could be

one

of

the best reality shows on TV. So again anyone with corporate

sponsorship

I'm

ready to produce American Kerin and track racing as a wager sport in

the

US.

Thats right wager, track racers make nothing especially compared to a

50K

purse offered a hundred years ago for a scratch race. Who wouldn't

want to

see the US battle Russia or China or Japan in all out Keirin racing oh

wait

France( Since they only had themselves to race at the World Cup

finished

1-2

in the sprints). Long story short if you build it they will come, pay

them

well and they will stay and others will want to be like them. No

offense

roadies, but Lance is already leading the road parade.

From: RCJoh-@attglobal.net

Reply-To: RCJoh-@attglobal.net

To: mc-@gorge.net

CC: ob-@topica.com, mike.m-@obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:30:59 -0800

Sounds to me like a "which came first / chicken or egg" situation.

Until

there's an indoor option there's a whole lot of people that will be

riding

somewhere else (or not at all). I live in Bend and therefore don't

see

myself driving 6 hours to ride a track anytime soon. But, if it were

in

my

town the only time I'd be interested in track riding is indoors in

the

winter. I think it's a pretty near universal thing that most of us

ride

in

great part for the pleasure of being outdoors, and never more so than

when

the weather is nice. The great attraction of an indoor track is on

the

days

when it's too rainy, cold, snowy, icy or dark to have much fun

outside.

Then a track becomes the preferred option over the mind numbing bore

of

trainer pedaling.

So, I think it's safe to say that with an indoor track you could

expect

to

see a lot more interest through the winter. Enough to meet the

financial

needs? Still doubtful, an important piece of the puzzle none the

less.

Rick

martin cohen wrote:

I agree. Let's see current usage/spectatorship increase before going

further. I raced there 2 years ago, Fast Twitch Fridays, and in the

beginner field there were at most 8-10 racers. Considering that

could

have

included on-the-road cat 3-5, that's not alot. I drove 1.5 hours

from

Hood

River, and I knew of at least 1 other guy who came up from

Corvallis.

Where the homies at?!!

I'd rather see the resources go into re-paving the current track.

Then again, if an indoor track would market/allow contests such as

rollerblading,skateboarding, or roller derby, it might have a

chance.

Marty

mike.m-@obra.org wrote:

Most of the posts to this list on this subject have come from people

that

don't use the velodrome that we are already lucky enough to have.

The

first step in supporting the idea of an indoor velodrome would be to

come

to events at the current outdoor velodrome. Even better would be to

support it by helping with organizing programs or finding

sponsorship.

As

use of the current velodrome grows the possibility of supporting an

indoor

velodrome becomes much more likely.

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Luciano bailey

2006-01-31

It's a combination of things horses aren't humans they don't represent

countries the list goes on and on ,the bottom line is to offer fans

worldwide, either live, via satalite whatever, the chance to bet on a human

race. Everyone is too young to remember the old racing so it is an old idea

marketed as part reality and a lot of added entertainment with real bike

racing mixed in. Americans would love to cheer for there track champions the

problem is there is none, until Lemond and Lance we only had foriegn born

heroes to cheer for. Be for real we will never compete with the tour or giro

for world classics, the opportunity is in track racing to emerge along with

cyclo-cross as an American hybrids of sorts. If Alpenrose was downtown in

the middle of the PSU campus it's rider/fan base would grow exponentially

just based on location. This in no way represents the perfect temporary fix

which would be a new covered track at Alpenrose the riders from Columbia

sayed their track was covered but not indoors. Anyway around it ADT/Burnaby

should not be the only North American options. If the USA took the number

4,5,6,7 American 100 meter runners and put them on track bikes they would

win the sprint worlds. The same is true for Jamaica who only had two racers

at the world cup due to track and field over emphasis, at the same time they

had twenty five athletes at the track indoor championships, Also the closest

indoor track for them is Cuba.

ling <ragg-@yahoo.com>

Reply-To: ragg-@yahoo.com

To: cmur-@obra.org, ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:51:10 -0800 (PST)

Remember the tribes offered to build a field to get a

major league baseball team and the state and/or city

said no and that project would have cost WAY more then

this.

Randy

--- cmur-@obra.org wrote:

Come on guys, if the horse racing program in

Portland was not self

sustaining, how can betting on bikes works?

-----Original Message-----

From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:31 AM

To: sbr-@stevebrowncompany.com;

toka-@ix.netcom.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

Grand Ron has been the most interested.

From: Steve Brown <sbr-@stevebrowncompany.com>

Reply-To: sbr-@stevebrowncompany.com

To: toka-@ix.netcom.com

CC: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:02:46 -0800

Keith,

Thats what I'm talking about. Does anyone know

anyone at any of the

Tribes?

Steve Brown

On Jan 30, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Keith A. Prior wrote:

We gotta do what the Japanese do.

Make it interesting!!

Were talking GAMBLING baby!

Oregon is all about pulling in the revenues any

way it can!

Someone should pitch it to the Native Tribes and

the crooks in Salem!

-Keith

-----Original Message-----

From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:05 AM

To: RCJoh-@attglobal.net; mc-@gorge.net

Cc: ob-@topica.com; mike.m-@obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

I think what is missing is what europeans already

know, as much fun as a

road race can be, it pales in comparison to the

spectator friendly

confines

of a velodrome. At best if you were part of a Tour

team or press corps you

might get to watch some or most of the action. one

has only to look at

Madison Square Garden circa 1905 to see this sport

brought the action to

the

fan. I think in terms of athlete commitment the US

is falling behind the

world simply because of a lack of marketing a

global sport. regardless of

past attempts, in sport/marketing timing is

everything this could be one

of

the best reality shows on TV. So again anyone with

corporate sponsorship

I'm

ready to produce American Kerin and track racing

as a wager sport in the

US.

Thats right wager, track racers make nothing

especially compared to a 50K

purse offered a hundred years ago for a scratch

race. Who wouldn't want to

see the US battle Russia or China or Japan in all

out Keirin racing oh

wait

France( Since they only had themselves to race at

the World Cup finished

1-2

in the sprints). Long story short if you build it

they will come, pay them

well and they will stay and others will want to be

like them. No offense

roadies, but Lance is already leading the road

parade.

From: RCJoh-@attglobal.net

Reply-To: RCJoh-@attglobal.net

To: mc-@gorge.net

CC: ob-@topica.com, mike.m-@obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:30:59 -0800

Sounds to me like a "which came first / chicken

or egg" situation. Until

there's an indoor option there's a whole lot of

people that will be

riding

somewhere else (or not at all). I live in Bend

and therefore don't see

myself driving 6 hours to ride a track anytime

soon. But, if it were in

my

town the only time I'd be interested in track

riding is indoors in the

winter. I think it's a pretty near universal

thing that most of us ride

in

great part for the pleasure of being outdoors,

and never more so than

when

the weather is nice. The great attraction of an

indoor track is on the

days

when it's too rainy, cold, snowy, icy or dark to

have much fun outside.

Then a track becomes the preferred option over

the mind numbing bore of

trainer pedaling.

So, I think it's safe to say that with an indoor

track you could expect

to

see a lot more interest through the winter.

Enough to meet the financial

needs? Still doubtful, an important piece of the

puzzle none the less.

Rick

martin cohen wrote:

I agree. Let's see current usage/spectatorship

increase before going

further. I raced there 2 years ago, Fast Twitch

Fridays, and in the

beginner field there were at most 8-10 racers.

Considering that could

have

included on-the-road cat 3-5, that's not alot. I

drove 1.5 hours from

Hood

River, and I knew of at least 1 other guy who

came up from Corvallis.

Where the homies at?!!

I'd rather see the resources go into re-paving

the current track.

Then again, if an indoor track would

market/allow contests such as

rollerblading,skateboarding, or roller derby, it

might have a chance.

Marty

mike.m-@obra.org wrote:

Most of the posts to this list on this subject

have come from people

that

don't use the velodrome that we are already

lucky enough to have. The

first step in supporting the idea of an indoor

velodrome would be to

come

to events at the current outdoor velodrome. Even

better would be to

support it by helping with organizing programs

or finding sponsorship.

As

use of the current velodrome grows the

possibility of supporting an

indoor

velodrome becomes much more likely.

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Thomas Hoffman

2006-01-31

Hmmm..... Maybe they could feature sexy hard body racers and Discovery

channel can do a reality TV show based on the racers hosted by Lance! See

the TV show will promote the races, taking place in Oregon, where you have

to go in order to bet on your favorite racers at the Indian Casino! How can

Governor Ted say no! I wonder if Kitzhaber will get on board if the states

share goes to Health Care?

Indian Casinos, Sexy Hard body Kerin Racers, and Lance Armstrong. WOW! I can

Feel the Synergy!

I think this could really work! The show will need Talent for the races, so

everybody better Hit the Gym! And better find a good Waxing Parlor, some of

you are going to need it!

I think the record shows that I did come up with the Indian Casino Idea

first, so I get dibs on the "Created By" Credit for the TV show.

Tom

-----Original Message-----

From: cmur-@obra.org [mailto:cmur-@obra.org]

Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:42 AM

To: ob-@topica.com

Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

Come on guys, if the horse racing program in Portland was not self

sustaining, how can betting on bikes works?

-----Original Message-----

From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:31 AM

To: sbr-@stevebrowncompany.com; toka-@ix.netcom.com

Cc: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

Grand Ron has been the most interested.

From: Steve Brown <sbr-@stevebrowncompany.com>

Reply-To: sbr-@stevebrowncompany.com

To: toka-@ix.netcom.com

CC: ob-@topica.com

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:02:46 -0800

Keith,

Thats what I'm talking about. Does anyone know anyone at any of the

Tribes?

Steve Brown

On Jan 30, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Keith A. Prior wrote:

We gotta do what the Japanese do.

Make it interesting!!

Were talking GAMBLING baby!

Oregon is all about pulling in the revenues any way it can!

Someone should pitch it to the Native Tribes and the crooks in Salem!

-Keith

-----Original Message-----

From: Luciano bailey [mailto:ride-@hotmail.com]

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:05 AM

To: RCJoh-@attglobal.net; mc-@gorge.net

Cc: ob-@topica.com; mike.m-@obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

I think what is missing is what europeans already know, as much fun as a

road race can be, it pales in comparison to the spectator friendly

confines

of a velodrome. At best if you were part of a Tour team or press corps you

might get to watch some or most of the action. one has only to look at

Madison Square Garden circa 1905 to see this sport brought the action to

the

fan. I think in terms of athlete commitment the US is falling behind the

world simply because of a lack of marketing a global sport. regardless of

past attempts, in sport/marketing timing is everything this could be one

of

the best reality shows on TV. So again anyone with corporate sponsorship

I'm

ready to produce American Kerin and track racing as a wager sport in the

US.

Thats right wager, track racers make nothing especially compared to a 50K

purse offered a hundred years ago for a scratch race. Who wouldn't want to

see the US battle Russia or China or Japan in all out Keirin racing oh

wait

France( Since they only had themselves to race at the World Cup finished

1-2

in the sprints). Long story short if you build it they will come, pay them

well and they will stay and others will want to be like them. No offense

roadies, but Lance is already leading the road parade.

From: RCJoh-@attglobal.net

Reply-To: RCJoh-@attglobal.net

To: mc-@gorge.net

CC: ob-@topica.com, mike.m-@obra.org

Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??

Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:30:59 -0800

Sounds to me like a "which came first / chicken or egg" situation. Until

there's an indoor option there's a whole lot of people that will be

riding

somewhere else (or not at all). I live in Bend and therefore don't see

myself driving 6 hours to ride a track anytime soon. But, if it were in

my

town the only time I'd be interested in track riding is indoors in the

winter. I think it's a pretty near universal thing that most of us ride

in

great part for the pleasure of being outdoors, and never more so than

when

the weather is nice. The great attraction of an indoor track is on the

days

when it's too rainy, cold, snowy, icy or dark to have much fun outside.

Then a track becomes the preferred option over the mind numbing bore of

trainer pedaling.

So, I think it's safe to say that with an indoor track you could expect

to

see a lot more interest through the winter. Enough to meet the financial

needs? Still doubtful, an important piece of the puzzle none the less.

Rick

martin cohen wrote:

I agree. Let's see current usage/spectatorship increase before going

further. I raced there 2 years ago, Fast Twitch Fridays, and in the

beginner field there were at most 8-10 racers. Considering that could

have

included on-the-road cat 3-5, that's not alot. I drove 1.5 hours from

Hood

River, and I knew of at least 1 other guy who came up from Corvallis.

Where the homies at?!!

I'd rather see the resources go into re-paving the current track.

Then again, if an indoor track would market/allow contests such as

rollerblading,skateboarding, or roller derby, it might have a chance.

Marty

mike.m-@obra.org wrote:

Most of the posts to this list on this subject have come from people

that

don't use the velodrome that we are already lucky enough to have. The

first step in supporting the idea of an indoor velodrome would be to

come

to events at the current outdoor velodrome. Even better would be to

support it by helping with organizing programs or finding sponsorship.

As

use of the current velodrome grows the possibility of supporting an

indoor

velodrome becomes much more likely.

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Lisa Winchester

2006-01-31

Yeah, right, a sponsor...Let's get Enron to sponsor it. ;-)

-Lisa

RE: Indoor Velodrome??

cmu-@obra.org

Jan 31, 2006 10:43 PST

Come on guys, if the horse racing program in Portland was not selfsustaining, how can betting on bikes works?-----Original Message-----From: Luciano bailey [mailto:rid-@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:31 AMTo: sb-@stevebrowncompany.com; tok-@ix.netcom.comCc: ob-@topica.comSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??Grand Ron has been the most interested.

From: Steve Brown <sb-@stevebrowncompany.com>Reply-To: sb-@stevebrowncompany.comTo: tok-@ix.netcom.comCC: ob-@topica.comSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:02:46 -0800Keith,Thats what I'm talking about. Does anyone know anyone at any of the

Tribes?Steve BrownOn Jan 30, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Keith A. Prior wrote:

We gotta do what the Japanese do.Make it interesting!!Were talking GAMBLING baby!Oregon is all about pulling in the revenues any way it can!Someone should pitch it to the Native Tribes and the crooks in Salem!-Keith-----Original Message-----From: Luciano bailey [mailto:rid-@hotmail.com]Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:05 AMTo: RCJ-@attglobal.net; mc-@gorge.netCc: ob-@topica.com; mike-@obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??I think what is missing is what europeans already know, as much fun as aroad race can be, it pales in comparison to the spectator friendly confinesof a velodrome. At best if you were part of a Tour team or press corps youmight get to watch some or most of the action. one has only to look atMadison Square

Garden circa 1905 to see this sport brought the action to thefan. I think in terms of athlete commitment the US is falling behind theworld simply because of a lack of marketing a global sport. regardless ofpast attempts, in sport/marketing timing is everything this could be one ofthe best reality shows on TV. So again anyone with corporate sponsorship I'mready to produce American Kerin and track racing as a wager sport in the US.Thats right wager, track racers make nothing especially compared to a 50Kpurse offered a hundred years ago for a scratch race. Who wouldn't want tosee the US battle Russia or China or Japan in all out Keirin racing oh waitFrance( Since they only had themselves to race at the World Cup finished 1-2in the sprints). Long story short if you build it they will come, pay themwell and they will stay and

others will want to be like them. No offenseroadies, but Lance is already leading the road parade.

From: RCJ-@attglobal.netReply-To: RCJ-@attglobal.netTo: mc-@gorge.netCC: ob-@topica.com, mike-@obra.orgSubject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Indoor Velodrome??Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:30:59 -0800Sounds to me like a "which came first / chicken or egg" situation. Untilthere's an indoor option there's a whole lot of people that will be ridingsomewhere else (or not at all). I live in Bend and therefore don't seemyself driving 6 hours to ride a track anytime soon. But, if it were in mytown the only time I'd be interested in track riding is indoors in thewinter. I think it's a pretty near universal thing that most of us ride ingreat part for the pleasure of being outdoors, and never more so than whenthe weather is nice. The great attraction of an indoor track is on the

dayswhen it's too rainy, cold, snowy, icy or dark to have much fun outside.Then a track becomes the preferred option over the mind numbing bore oftrainer pedaling.So, I think it's safe to say that with an indoor track you could expect tosee a lot more interest through the winter. Enough to meet the financialneeds? Still doubtful, an important piece of the puzzle none the less.Rickmartin cohen wrote:

I agree. Let's see current usage/spectatorship increase before goingfurther. I raced there 2 years ago, Fast Twitch Fridays, and in thebeginner field there were at most 8-10 racers. Considering that could haveincluded on-the-road cat 3-5, that's not alot. I drove 1.5 hours from HoodRiver, and I knew of at least 1 other guy who came up from Corvallis.Where the homies at?!!I'd rather see the resources go into re-paving the current track.Then again, if an indoor track would market/allow contests such asrollerblading,skateboarding, or roller derby, it might have a chance.Mar-@obra.org wrote:Most of the posts to this list on this subject have come from people thatdon't use the velodrome that we are already lucky enough to have. Thefirst step in supporting

the idea of an indoor velodrome would be to cometo events at the current outdoor velodrome. Even better would be tosupport it by helping with organizing programs or finding sponsorship. Asuse of the current velodrome grows the possibility of supporting an indoorvelodrome becomes much more likely.

Randy Dreiling

2006-01-31

Remember the tribes offered to build a field to get a

major league baseball team and the state and/or city

said no and that project would have cost WAY more then

this.

Randy

--- cmur-@obra.org wrote:

Come on guys, if the horse racing program in

Portland was not self

sustaining, how can betting on bikes works?

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Grand Ron has been the most interested.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:02:46 -0800

Keith,

Thats what I'm talking about. Does anyone know